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IREFU2 Thu Dec 01, 2005 02:06pm

Just wonder how many college officials are in this forum, especially on the east coast???

jritchie Thu Dec 01, 2005 02:55pm

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Originally posted by IREFU2
Just wonder how many college officials are in this forum, especially on the east coast???
Small college (NAIA)

ChuckElias Thu Dec 01, 2005 03:17pm

I've been known to screw up a D3 game every now and then.

JRutledge Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:01pm

I am currently on a staff where we work NAIA and JUCO Men's ball.

Peace

tomegun Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:09pm

I've been on staff at every level and been on the court on every level except one. ;)
This is a funny/frustrating game - and I'm not talking about the game on the court!

M&M Guy Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:19pm

I do women's D3, NAIA, and JUCO.

And I'm east of the Mississippi. Does that count as east coast?

Dan_ref Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:27pm

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Originally posted by M&M Guy
I do women's D3, NAIA, and JUCO.

And I'm east of the Mississippi. Does that count as east coast?

Sure if you live in Denver.

btw...tomegun said he's on a staff that apparently doesn't give him games, and I've seen some others post here about being on a development staff or development program or whatever.

What's the sense of "being on staff" if you don't get assignments? Doesn't it merely entitle you to pay dues, attend a camp & go to a pre-season meeting?

bwt2...Chuck is entirely too modest, imo. He's been known to screw up more than the occasional D3 game in his time.

JRutledge Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:50pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref


btw...tomegun said he's on a staff that apparently doesn't give him games, and I've seen some others post here about being on a development staff or development program or whatever.

What's the sense of "being on staff" if you don't get assignments? Doesn't it merely entitle you to pay dues, attend a camp & go to a pre-season meeting?

I would assume that you are in the pipeline. When someone gets fired, retires or gets hurt I am sure they are then next guys in line. Now it might be a long list, but that is better than being completely on the outside looking in.

Peace

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:55pm

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Originally posted by tomegun
I've been on staff at every level and been on the court on every level except one. ;)
This is a funny/frustrating game - and I'm not talking about the game on the court!

Play the game, pardner. Don't let it get to you.

Dan_ref Thu Dec 01, 2005 04:57pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
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Originally posted by Dan_ref


btw...tomegun said he's on a staff that apparently doesn't give him games, and I've seen some others post here about being on a development staff or development program or whatever.

What's the sense of "being on staff" if you don't get assignments? Doesn't it merely entitle you to pay dues, attend a camp & go to a pre-season meeting?

I would assume that you are in the pipeline. When someone gets fired, retires or gets hurt I am sure they are then next guys in line. Now it might be a long list, but that is better than being completely on the outside looking in.

Peace

Yeah, I suppose, but you would think getting 1 or 2 early season tune ups against a D3 or D2 team wouldn't be out of the question.

Maybe that's the problem, the list is too long to do something for everyone...and it takes money out of the "regular" guys pockets too.

Anyway, just wonderin' is all.


JRutledge Thu Dec 01, 2005 05:07pm

I think Tommy can answer for himself on this issue. I just know I would not mind if I was in the pipeline and listed on a staff, than not working any games and not being on the list in any capacity. Now in my area of the country there is not such animal that I am aware of. Either you are on the Associate staff (which means you are probably working at least one or two non-conference games) or you are a full staff member where you are working conference games on a regular basis. I know the Big Ten got rid of like 15-20 officials last year just because they did not work in any other conferences. College officiating is so doggy-dog that I would not mind being in Tommy's position.

Peace

Nu1 Thu Dec 01, 2005 06:18pm

I've been fortunate to get some D-III women's games this year. I have a few under my belt so far. Also fortunately, I've had gracious, helpful partners. There is so much to learn!

brianp134 Thu Dec 01, 2005 07:52pm

I am on JUCO staff & plus a couple of D3 staffs.

afrothunda Thu Dec 01, 2005 09:56pm

I recently got picked up in a D3 conference on the East Coast.


Dan_ref Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:27pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
I think Tommy can answer for himself on this issue. I just know I would not mind if I was in the pipeline and listed on a staff, than not working any games and not being on the list in any capacity. Now in my area of the country there is not such animal that I am aware of. Either you are on the Associate staff (which means you are probably working at least one or two non-conference games) or you are a full staff member where you are working conference games on a regular basis. I know the Big Ten got rid of like 15-20 officials last year just because they did not work in any other conferences. College officiating is so doggy-dog that I would not mind being in Tommy's position.

Peace

This isn't about your position, or Tommy's position, or my position ar anyone else's position.

It's about the system.

Imagine going for a job interview & leaving with the understanding that you're "on staff"...all you have to do is pay for & attend a 4 day class once per year, hop on a plane & show up at a meeting or 2 per year, pay some dues, and wait for someone to retire before you actually have a chance to make money by being on this staff. Of course this is such a great job that waiting for someone to retire actually means waiting for someone to die.

How long before you ask "Are you f@cking nuts???"


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