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assignmentmaker Wed Nov 30, 2005 02:54am
If you call a flagrant foul
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by TimTaylor
This is correct - applicable rules are 4.19.2 & 4.19.6
There are no such rules. :)

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Telling anybody to use discretion when calling a flagrant foul just because a player might end up suspended just completely rubs me the wrong way too.
Yep, me too. I would have posted the same thing but JR beat me to it. If it's flagrant, it's flagrant. I'm unconcerned with the consequences the player will suffer with the state association. It should be given no more consideration at the end of the season that it would at any other time.

BTW, welcome Massref. Don't let us scare you off. We bark but we don't bite. Well, not very often. :)
If you call a flagrant foul on A1, and the ball has been released on a try, is it good if it goes in?

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 30, 2005 03:13am
Re: If you call a flagrant foul
 
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Originally posted by assignmentmaker

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If you call a flagrant foul on A1, and the ball has been released on a try, is it good if it goes in? [/B][/QUOTE]Flagrant foul committed by an airborne shooter after the shot was released? Yup, count the basket and the penalty for the flagrant foul stays the same-- disqualification of A1 followed by 2 FT's at the other end by the player fouled and the ball OOB for a throw-in at the closest spot to where the flagrant foul occurred.

TimTaylor Wed Nov 30, 2005 08:35am
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by TimTaylor
This is correct - applicable rules are 4.19.2 & 4.19.6
There are no such rules. :)
OK, Definitions.... :)

Rule 4: Definitions
Section 19: FOUL
Article 2

Art. 2 . . . A common foul is a personal foul which is neither flagrant nor intentional nor committed against a player trying or tapping for a field goal nor a part of a double, simultaneous or multiple foul.

Article 6

Art. 6 . . . A player-control foul is a common foul committed by a player while he/she is in control of the ball or by an airborne shooter.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 30, 2005 08:51am
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Originally posted by TimTaylor
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by TimTaylor
This is correct - applicable rules are 4.19.2 & 4.19.6
There are no such rules. :)
OK, Definitions.... :)

Rule 4: Definitions
Section 19: FOUL
Article 2

Art. 2 . . . A common foul is a personal foul which is neither flagrant nor intentional nor committed against a player trying or tapping for a field goal nor a part of a double, simultaneous or multiple foul.

Article 6

Art. 6 . . . A player-control foul is a common foul committed by a player while he/she is in control of the ball or by an airborne shooter.
Tony's merely pointing out that rules are identified with dashes (4-19-2) and cases are identified with dots (4.19.2).

It's right there in the forward of the case book.

assignmentmaker Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:56pm
Re: Re: If you call a flagrant foul
 
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by assignmentmaker
If you call a flagrant foul on A1, and the ball has been released on a try, is it good if it goes in? [/B]
Flagrant foul committed by an airborne shooter after the shot was released? Yup, count the basket and the penalty for the flagrant foul stays the same-- disqualification of A1 followed by 2 FT's at the other end by the player fouled and the ball OOB for a throw-in at the closest spot to where the flagrant foul occurred. [/B][/QUOTE]

Great minds think alike . . .


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