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dknick78 Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:18am

On a throw-in after a dead ball to resume play do you blew the whistle prior to putting the ball in play?

Or do you do this just to start a quarter?

Grail Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:22am

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Originally posted by dknick78
On a throw-in after a dead ball to resume play do you blew the whistle prior to putting the ball in play?

Or do you do this just to start a quarter?

At the start of a quarter, or after a time-out. Definitely not after every dead-ball. You might use the whistle after an inordiante delay (injury, clock problem, etc.).

crazy voyager Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:25am

I never blew a whistle to start the play, only to stop it. That's what the book says too.
"The offcials shall call a whistle each time the play must be stopped due to violations against rules or playtime ending."
something like that, never to start a quarter, game, play, anything.
Only exception:
You call 1 minute, 3 minutes, 1:30 (In FIBA) before period starts to alert players.
You call for 10 seconds left of time out. That's the only time you blow for something else, and then the play is allready stopped.

this rule works too:
Blow the whistle- ball must go to official before being played again. Once the ball is in a players hand, it's in play.


Ref in PA Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:12pm

I don't have my officials manual with me at work, but I am sure the procedure for NFHS are to sound the wistle prior to handing the ball to a player for throw-in after time-outs, quarter changes, or any unusual delay such as after an injury, and for the throw-in following an intentional or technical foul. These are FED procedures.

RefNVa Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:19pm

I blow it a little more often in sub-v games as their concentration is a little suspect. Have a nice Thanksgving!

lukealex Wed Nov 23, 2005 04:25pm

I blow the whistle on most inbounds under the basket on the offensive end, seems to get the attention of the players. I also whistle to start quarters and end of TOs. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to blow the whistle when I hand the ball to the player, but it seems to create a better flow for the game.

zebraman Wed Nov 23, 2005 05:16pm

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Originally posted by lukealex
I blow the whistle on most inbounds under the basket on the offensive end, seems to get the attention of the players. I also whistle to start quarters and end of TOs. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to blow the whistle when I hand the ball to the player, but it seems to create a better flow for the game.
huh?

Z

Back In The Saddle Wed Nov 23, 2005 08:00pm

Ref in PA's summary is pretty accurate as I recall. The reason for blowing your whistle before play begins is to alert everybody that play is about to begin. We don't want to surprise anybody. After time outs and quarter breaks is an obvious time to use it.

IMHO there may be other times when it would be helpful too. So don't withold an obviously helpful whistle just because the mechanics manual doesn't say to do it. I have seen it used to great effect in very noisy gyms and in lower levels of play. On the other hand, overusing the whistle would, I think, tend to reduce its effectiveness.

BktBallRef Wed Nov 23, 2005 09:07pm

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Originally posted by lukealex
I blow the whistle on most inbounds under the basket on the offensive end, seems to get the attention of the players.
I do as well. Many times, players are moving around, trying to gain position, etc. I like the whistle at that point so that I don't catch anyone by surprise.

M&M Guy Wed Nov 23, 2005 09:47pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by lukealex
I blow the whistle on most inbounds under the basket on the offensive end, seems to get the attention of the players.
I do as well. Many times, players are moving around, trying to gain position, etc. I like the whistle at that point so that I don't catch anyone by surprise.

Just as an FYI, this is a mechanic as well in NCAA-W.

But as BITS said - don't get in the habit of blowing the whistle all the time. If your partners aren't doing it as often as you are, it will draw more attention to you.

BktBallRef Wed Nov 23, 2005 09:55pm

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Originally posted by M&M Guy
But as BITS said - don't get in the habit of blowing the whistle all the time. If your partners aren't doing it as often as you are, it will draw more attention to you.
Blowing the whistle 6 or 8 times a game is not blowing the whistle all the time. There are plenty or other things that you can do to draw attention to yourself if that's a concern.

Rich Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:01pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by lukealex
I blow the whistle on most inbounds under the basket on the offensive end, seems to get the attention of the players.
I do as well. Many times, players are moving around, trying to gain position, etc. I like the whistle at that point so that I don't catch anyone by surprise.

Offensive baseline, I also always blow a whistle before handing the ball.

Kelvin green Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:20am

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by lukealex
I blow the whistle on most inbounds under the basket on the offensive end, seems to get the attention of the players.
I do as well. Many times, players are moving around, trying to gain position, etc. I like the whistle at that point so that I don't catch anyone by surprise.

Offensive baseline, I also always blow a whistle before handing the ball.

I do this as well. There can be no argument when the ball came into play

Snake~eyes Thu Nov 24, 2005 02:18am

I don't use my whistle unless its after a timeout, quarter or extended dead ball time. That's not the mechanics, players know the ball is coming in (unless something wierd happens where I would have a whistle) they should be ready to play. This is just my opinion and how I operate.

Ref Daddy Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:41pm


Been expirementing with the Fox 40 volumes. Seems there is a small twweet she'll generate that seems to solve the issue for me.

If you are inclinde to whistle - and I do on offense's baseline - a short, low sound serves the purpose.

BktBallRef Thu Nov 24, 2005 02:06pm

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
That's not the mechanics,...
Is it a meachanic to talk a player out of the lane?

Is it a mechanic to bark at two players battling in the post?

Is it a mechanic to blow your whistle at the end of the quarter?

Is it a mechanic to warn a player to put his shirt tail end?

Is it a mechanic to wave through the sideline plane to warn a defender not to break the plane?

There are plenty of prevetive measures that we take "that's not the mechanics."

Rich Thu Nov 24, 2005 03:35pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
That's not the mechanics,...
Is it a meachanic to talk a player out of the lane?

Is it a mechanic to bark at two players battling in the post?

Is it a mechanic to blow your whistle at the end of the quarter?

Is it a mechanic to warn a player to put his shirt tail end?

Is it a mechanic to wave through the sideline plane to warn a defender not to break the plane?

There are plenty of prevetive measures that we take "that's not the mechanics."

Let's face it, many officials are restricted by supervisors/assignors who have the power to take games away if officials don't follow "mechanics." Those officials should do what they're told. I've lived in places like that before.

I am free to ask myself "does a whistle benefit the game?" I think it does. Where did I start doing this? At an NCAA-W camp I attended 3 years ago. I kept this once the HS season started. I think it grabs everyone's attention the way nothing else can.

M&M Guy Thu Nov 24, 2005 08:46pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Blowing the whistle 6 or 8 times a game is not blowing the whistle all the time. There are plenty or other things that you can do to draw attention to yourself if that's a concern.

I definitely agree - wearing creaky old nurse's shoes could draw that unwanted attention. ;)

I guess I wasn't saying don't do it, just don't get in the habit of blowing the whistle all the time. I have seen officials blow the whistle on EVERY throw-in. That definitely draws attention. I was only trying to make the point that just because it's a good idea in this case, too much can be a bad idea.


buckrog64 Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:17am

I whistle to begin the game, the quarter or after a time-out. Some lord of the refs probably told me to do that. I've seen local games officiated by men who I know have worked state championship finals. One timeout, one guy will hand the ball to the thrower after a whistle. The next time, another guy will hand the ball to the thrower after a timeout, no whistle. Go figure.

If the throw in doesn't warrant a whistle, and players are packed together, they will get a 'here we go,' or 'the ball is ready,' and off we go.

Pet peeve: Those who count the five seconds aloud, during a throw-in.

assignmentmaker Sat Nov 26, 2005 03:51pm

Practically speaking,
 
I'll blow the whistle on an inbounds play when a game is tight.


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