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Why is this hard? Have any adult step into the hallway with the kid and have him change his shirt. Am I missing something?

You're kidding, right?

Sorry. Have any adult who is affiliated with either school step into the hallway. . .

My point was that it didn't have to be the kid's coach who accompanies him out of the confines. Obviously you don't want the creepy old guy who lives under the bridge to go with the kid.

Did that really need to be clarified?

Maybe I'm just too literal, but I find it hard to translate "any adult" into "any adult who is affiliated with either school but not the creepy old guy who lives under the bridge".

My bad.

btw...I don't have the time to look for it but I'm almost positive the fed book says only a team's coach or assistant coach is permitted to escort a player outside of the gym. Maybe a trainer too?

Maybe I'm wrong though.

Know what?

Let the coach of that team worry about it. It's his problem, not our's.

Yeah but isn't there a rule that says players cannot leave the gym unescorted?

[Irrelevant snide remark]
What other rules are you going to let the coach worry about?
[/Irrelevant snide remark]

;)

Seriously, if the coach wants his player to change a shirt I'm going to tell him the player needs to be escorted out by one of his assistants...or maybe a trainer?

Stupid rule, but there it is.

Dan, there's no rule that I know of saying that a player can't leave the bench area without supervision to change his shirt or to go to the dressing room to have a dump- whatever. The only relevant ruling I know of is in casebook play 10.5, and that one says that we have the authority to remove a player that has received a flagrant T if he's still putting on a show. That case play also says that the player asked to leave should be accompanied by an adult "supervisor".

Basically, I really don't give a damn where they come up with that adult supervisor from. Again, that's the coach's problem- not mine.

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Why is this hard? Have any adult step into the hallway with the kid and have him change his shirt. Am I missing something?

You're kidding, right?

Sorry. Have any adult who is affiliated with either school step into the hallway. . .

My point was that it didn't have to be the kid's coach who accompanies him out of the confines. Obviously you don't want the creepy old guy who lives under the bridge to go with the kid.

Did that really need to be clarified?

Maybe I'm just too literal, but I find it hard to translate "any adult" into "any adult who is affiliated with either school but not the creepy old guy who lives under the bridge".

My bad.

btw...I don't have the time to look for it but I'm almost positive the fed book says only a team's coach or assistant coach is permitted to escort a player outside of the gym. Maybe a trainer too?

Maybe I'm wrong though.

Know what?

Let the coach of that team worry about it. It's his problem, not our's.

Yeah but isn't there a rule that says players cannot leave the gym unescorted?

[Irrelevant snide remark]
What other rules are you going to let the coach worry about?
[/Irrelevant snide remark]

;)

Seriously, if the coach wants his player to change a shirt I'm going to tell him the player needs to be escorted out by one of his assistants...or maybe a trainer?

Stupid rule, but there it is.

Dan, there's no rule that I know of saying that a player can't leave the bench area without supervision to change his shirt or to go to the dressing room to have a dump- whatever. The only relevant ruling I know of is in casebook play 10.5, and that one says that we have the authority to remove a player that has received a flagrant T if he's still putting on a show. That case play also says that the player asked to leave should be accompanied by an adult "supervisor".

Basically, I really don't give a damn where they come up with that adult supervisor from. Again, that's the coach's problem- not mine.

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Yeah, that's the 1 I was thinking of.

So I guess ANY adult can do this...except for the creepy guy who lives under the bridge of course. But in theory it's the same, don't you think? They don't want the kids wandering around unescorted. [/B][/QUOTE]Well, I still can't think of a rule that definitively sez that the kid changing his shirt in the hall must be accompanied by an adult.

Does anybody else know whether the FED actually made adult accompaniment mandatory under this new changing-shirt rule- and also where I might find that ruling?

Again, I'd leave it up to the coach. It's his problem. All I'm making sure of is that I've got no blood-stained shirts/shorts on the floor and the denizens of the bench keep their clothes on. Everything else is details.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 8th, 2005 at 01:21 PM]

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Well, I still can't think of a rule that definitively sez that the kid changing his shirt in the hall must be accompanied by an adult.

Does anybody else know whether the FED actually made adult accompaniment mandatory under this new changing-shirt rule- and also where I might find that ruling?

Not specific to this new rule, but this was addressed in last year's POE's. From page 70 of last year's rule book, POE 3A:

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The committee is also concerned about bench personnel leaving the bench, sometimes during a live ball. Heading into the hallway to get a drink or sitting up in the stands with friends or family, even for a short period of time, are not authorized reasons unless they are medically related.

This relates to a completely different sort of situation; and I suspect that being directed to change your jersey is an "authorized reason" for leaving the bench area. However, it does emphasize Dan's concern about kids leaving the court unsupervised. FWIW.

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Well, I still can't think of a rule that definitively sez that the kid changing his shirt in the hall must be accompanied by an adult.

Does anybody else know whether the FED actually made adult accompaniment mandatory under this new changing-shirt rule- and also where I might find that ruling?

Not specific to this new rule, but this was addressed in last year's POE's. From page 70 of last year's rule book, POE 3A:

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The committee is also concerned about bench personnel leaving the bench, sometimes during a live ball. Heading into the hallway to get a drink or sitting up in the stands with friends or family, even for a short period of time, are not authorized reasons unless they are medically related.

This relates to a completely different sort of situation; and I suspect that being directed to change your jersey is an "authorized reason" for leaving the bench area. However, it does emphasize Dan's concern about kids leaving the court unsupervised. FWIW.

Yup, I was aware of that directive too. I didn't see it as being applicable due to the reasoning mentioned by you---> authorized vs. unauthorized.