Hey this message is for any Arizona Basketball Officials---Just wanted to see if there were any of you out there on the Forum from the Grand Canyon State. Also...are you in favor of the new rule regarding if a player takes off any peice of their uniform during the game while on the floor it is a Technical fOul? It will be hard to administer but its kinda a dumb penalty to got rung for in the first place...I just think it will be difficult the first few games as teams may not be prepared for it.

I'm here! And I'm in favor... basketball is to be played with your jersey on! Just stay on them to keep the shirt tucked in and they'll get used to it.

Why do you say it will be hard to administer? This is an easy one, b/c the rules committee has taken all the judgment out of the equation. We don't have to worry about if it was really unsportsmanlike or anything else. You see the jersey off, it's a T. Pretty simple.

Welcome to the forum, btw. I was at the Grand Canyon way back in '94. Lotta fun.

Well, when NFHS makes blanket rules like this, it doesn't make our job easier, it makes it harder.
For example:

Player A1 gets a bloody nose. Blood on uniform. Team A ia the visiting team with the coach as the only school representative. The coach wants A1 to swith jerseys with A15. You can't let A1 (or any player) leave the floor unattended to go to the locker room, and if A Coach leaves the floor to take his player to the locker room, he leaves the rest of his team unattended. A1 cannot remove his jersey in the "visual confines of the court."

What do you do? Do you cut Team A a break and let them change jerseys at the bench? Or do we T 'em up to show them we know the rules?

Why is this hard? Have any adult step into the hallway with the kid and have him change his shirt. Am I missing something?

Sunny,
Is that a state of Arizona rule?
which I assume includes shoes, socks, and retaping ankles?
mick

You're kidding, right?

Sorry. Have any adult who is affiliated with either school step into the hallway. . .

My point was that it didn't have to be the kid's coach who accompanies him out of the confines. Obviously you don't want the creepy old guy who lives under the bridge to go with the kid.

Did that really need to be clarified?

Maybe I'm just too literal, but I find it hard to translate "any adult" into "any adult who is affiliated with either school but not the creepy old guy who lives under the bridge".

My bad.

btw...I don't have the time to look for it but I'm almost positive the fed book says only a team's coach or assistant coach is permitted to escort a player outside of the gym. Maybe a trainer too?

Maybe I'm wrong though.

So now you've got something against creepy old guys who live under bridges? If we're going to lump people into categories, it's the teachers and coaches that you gotta watch out for.

the player can just "leave the confines of the bench area" for example, go around the corner of the bench where the bleachers are and change shirts then come back....as long as it's not on the bench where everyone in the world can see it!!!

Sigh.

I await the inevitable......

Know what?

Let the coach of that team worry about it. It's his problem, not our's.

Yeah but isn't there a rule that says players cannot leave the gym unescorted?

[Irrelevant snide remark]
What other rules are you going to let the coach worry about?
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;)

Seriously, if the coach wants his player to change a shirt I'm going to tell him the player needs to be escorted out by one of his assistants...or maybe a trainer?

Stupid rule, but there it is.

There are no requirements in the FED book about who the coach can have supervise the kids when off the bench. That would fall under school policy, not game rules.

There will always be at least 1 other adult traveling with the team for any school I'm aware of. Any cautious school would never let student travel with 1 adult. All that I know require at least two adults present.

Dan, there's no rule that I know of saying that a player can't leave the bench area without supervision to change his shirt or to go to the dressing room to have a dump- whatever. The only relevant ruling I know of is in casebook play 10.5, and that one says that we have the authority to remove a player that has received a flagrant T if he's still putting on a show. That case play also says that the player asked to leave should be accompanied by an adult "supervisor".

Basically, I really don't give a damn where they come up with that adult supervisor from. Again, that's the coach's problem- not mine.

Yeah, that's the 1 I was thinking of.

So I guess ANY adult can do this...except for the creepy guy who lives under the bridge of course. But in theory it's the same, don't you think? They don't want the kids wandering around unescorted.

Yeah, that's the 1 I was thinking of.

So I guess ANY adult can do this...except for the creepy guy who lives under the bridge of course. But in theory it's the same, don't you think? They don't want the kids wandering around unescorted. [/B][/QUOTE]Well, I still can't think of a rule that definitively sez that the kid changing his shirt in the hall <b>must</b> be accompanied by an adult.

Does anybody else know whether the FED actually made adult accompaniment <b>mandatory</b> under this new changing-shirt rule- and also where I might find that ruling?

Again, I'd leave it up to the coach. It's his problem. All I'm making sure of is that I've got no blood-stained shirts/shorts on the floor and the denizens of the bench keep their clothes on. Everything else is details.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 8th, 2005 at 01:21 PM]

Not specific to this new rule, but this was addressed in last year's POE's. From page 70 of last year's rule book, POE 3A:

This relates to a completely different sort of situation; and I suspect that being directed to change your jersey is an "authorized reason" for leaving the bench area. However, it does emphasize Dan's concern about kids leaving the court unsupervised. FWIW.

Yup, I was aware of that directive too. I didn't see it as being applicable due to the reasoning mentioned by you---> authorized vs. unauthorized.