It is my understanding, and to my delight, the NFHS is gearing toward the the NCAA Rules and has a new rule change regarding player/team control (non shooting)fouls this year. My questions are concerning when team control actually exists.

I would like to ask you all for your interps on two situations:

A1 has the ball oob for a throw in. A2 and B2 are called for simultaneous fouls. Both are in the bonus.

A1 has the ball oob for a throw in. A2 pushes B2 in order to get free to receive the throw in from A1 and is called for a foul.

Referencing rule 4,sec 5-6 I believe.

It seems there is a difference between being in bounds and out regarding team control. Am I missing something or just looking too deep into this?

NFHS is still no team control on a throw-in, jump ball, or tip, tap, try.

nfhs no team control on throw in
 

So in sit 1, you report the fouls and go with ap arrow oob
and in sit 2, you report foul on A2 and B2 shoots bonus free throw

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I'm going to disagree here. You report the fouls and continue at the POI, which in this case was Team A's throw-in.

Tommy, you can only have a team control foul when there is, in fact, team control. In NFHS, there is no team control during a throw-in. Remember, team control is established when player control (holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds) is established and continues until a try is released, until the other team gains control, or until the ball becomes dead.

sorry, chuck is correct
 

simultaneous fouls on A and B, is poi

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Chuck, when does a point-of-interruption exist, or not exist? Please ammend this as needed!

There's a P.O.I. if:
1. there's player or team control;
2. throw-in is pending or underway;
3. foul-shot is pending


There isn't a P.O.I if:
1. a shot has been released and its fate is unknown;
2. a jump ball has become alive but control has not yet been established;
3. a foul shot, with players in the marked lane spaces, is missed

I gotta change . . .
 

There isn't a P.O.I if:

3. a foul shot, with players in the marked lane spaces, legally misses and control has not yet been established.

Or you could use the definition . . . but it's a good thought exercise!
 

EOM

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"Pending or underway" may be a nice form of "when the stoppage occurred during this activity or if a team is entitled to such".

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The question makes no sense.

There's always a POI. It's not always used (only after a double foul, simultaneous foul, accidental whistle, carrectable error, ...) and sometimes the POI is an AP throw-in.

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where is spelling guy when you need him??? :)
sorry bob, couldn't resist!

Tsk, tsk, tsk,......

Even though I'm taking a chance by posting at being inserted into the "curmudgeonly excess" bracket...again, it's very obvious that was one of those deep metaphysical questions- like "how many angels can dance on a pinhead?".

Or...... maybe it's question #46 on the IAABO exam.

Metaphysical? Sheez, Jurassic, you are old indeed!! No one has said that word since Derrida was in college. My favorite is, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" And on a more mainline note, "Can God make a rock so big that God can't move it?"

The problem is, according to Derrida's writings, if he ever did say "metaphysical", it's impossible for anyone else to know what he meant by saying it. Great theory. :rolleyes:

This answered my favorite metaphysical question.....

http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Picture/Animal/BEAR.jpg

It's true, it's true.....

That's precisely my point. No one says it at all anymore. And just for the record, I don't agree with Derrida at all on anything. Just using him as an example of why "metaphysical" is out of style.

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You're confusing the physical point of interruption with the rules-based point of interruption.

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I don't think Bob's confused at all. Every whistle and most horns create a POI. The rule just tells us when we resume the game at that POI.

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Every whistle and most horns create a POI.
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That's deep!

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You and Bob are right. My bad.