a referee said the other day, i cannot make every call, we would be here all day, im a caretaker of 22 acres, my boss said time to cut the grass, i cut all the grass, not just certain areas, is their a difference in the way any job should be done, do it all the way or not at all, i think the referee that chooses what to call is showing favortism to a team and not doing his job, do you think if he starts off by making calls, it will police the game, comments please

Officiating basketball is not cutting grass. Should a police officer ticket every single driver that...

...goes 1 mile over the speed limit?
...changes lanes without giving a signal?
...had his license plate expire 2 days ago?

You do not want to go to a game where every single infraction of the rules is called. For example, by rule, every time a coach complains about a call, we are suppose to give him a technical foul. Is that what you think we should do? We make calls based on advantage-disadvantage, not based on which team we like or which team we want to win. We couldn't care less who wins.

Call "everything?" No. No basketball game has ever been called that way and never will be.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Oct 23rd, 2005 at 05:55 PM]

You have a lot to learn about officiating. Good officials call the obvious infractions, the minor ones or the infractions that do not affect the play. There are things we could call every time down the floor if you really wanted to. Every time a coach or player complains, we can give a technical foul every single time. Not only would the game not be fun to watch, it would not make any since to do so. We always pass on things that did not put anyone at a disadvantage. Now that takes time to come to the conclusion when those times are. But if we called every contact as a foul or every hardly seen violation, you would stop watching the game. Our job is to get the big calls. It is obvious you do not know much about officiating or any thing where decisions are made.

Peace

Hmmmmm.....there's something strangely alluring about that :D

Are you a referee? What philosophy do you use when you officiate?

Crystal clear!
 

I think it's clear that he doesn't officiate.

"Crystal."

If we officiated the way you think we should, We would be there all night. I couldn't imagine calling every 3 second, travel and foul. I agree with the previous posts. There is no way that any basketball game will ever be officiated by the "letter" of the rule!

can a referee make all the calls
 

rutledge, you said our job is to get the big calls, not to much knowledge about refing there, you probally are a showboat and dont hardly blow your whistle, its not about the big call or you, so i dont think you know much

Re: can a referee make all the calls
 

There is always one guy on here that is all cracked out. They usually show up before the season or after. Maybe we will be so lucky as to have this joker and no others! LAy off the pipe fmkjrunc!

Re: can a referee make all the calls
 

What I talk about the "big calls," I mean the calls that are obvious to everyone. That is what most good officials do. Not to say all calls are going to be so obvious, but you better not make a habit of calling things no one understands.

Here is another reason I can tell you are not a real official. You do not understand that the "big calls" have little or nothing to do with the outcome of the game. A big call might be the first call of the game within the first 10 seconds of the game. When something "big happens" it will affect your game if you are not on top of it. A "big call" might be a time when you do not blow your whistle at all. But you would have to actually be an official to know the difference. I think we all know the answer to what you are. ;)

Oh well, I guess I will have to give back all my games because you think I do not know much. :rolleyes:

Peace

[Edited by JRutledge on Oct 23rd, 2005 at 08:30 PM]

can a referee make all the calls
 

is walking a big call? i think every call is as important as every other call, but you said i dont know much, so i guess ill be seeing you on tv(NBA,NCAA,MLB), i just asked a question and, you got smart, so good luck on your refereeing professionally

Re: can a referee make all the calls
 

Walking is legal, traveling is not. :p

Traveling can be a big call if called the right way.

Of course you think that way. That is why you are on an internet site trying to convince "real officials" that your officiating philosophy is the way to go. Good luck in your Junior High Career. Lord knows you are going to need it.

Peace

[Edited by JRutledge on Oct 23rd, 2005 at 09:42 PM]

can a referee make all the calls
 

i was not trying to convince real officials, im talking to you, t-ball ump, and thanks for wishing me good luck for my junior high girls and boys basketball teams, but you will never ref that high, so good luck to you in peewee football, and spendiong your life on the internet site pretending to be a REAL official

Re: can a referee make all the calls
 

LOL!!! Now that is funny.

Peace

get rid of jmkjrunc
 

Mods, can't you get rid of this idiot?

You wouldn't by any chance be cutting the grass on all fours and using your teeth? You sound a lot like a Donkey. Or should I say Jack A$S?

This probably wont help, but I'll try anyway.

When we officiate, we worry about a thing called "advantage/disadvantage." That means, essentially, "leave things alone that are irrelevant and deal with the stuff that matters."

Here is the very first part of the rule book, called "The Intent and Purpose of the Rules."

"The restrictions which the rules place upon the players are intended to create a balance of play....Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not intended by a rule."

Thus, the rules themselves say we are supposed to pay attention to the intent and purpose of rules and to keep in mind balance of play.

Skill level is a big part of that.

If you are reffing a girls freshman game (and some boys freshman games, frankly), you could prevent the ball from ever penetrating the key most of the time. But that is not the purpose of the rules.

For instance, if little Suzie in a freshman girls game lifts her pivot foot before a pass from the wing when she isnt being guarded, there is no way I call that. You have to keep in mind the skill level. These girls at that level arent that good. Now, if she was guarded and the defender forced that walk (yes, we do use that term colloquially, though it is called travel) then she is getting that whistle.

You can come up with a million examples of non-calls because of lack of skill by the players or other things that have no impact on advantage/disadvantage.

The key is "advantage/disadvantage" and intelligent application of the rules and the purpose of the rules to a particular playing situation.

THAT is why not every infraction you might see is called. AND the rule book TELLS US to do it that way.

I actually had a discussion about this before a girls freshman game last year. I was there early (we were short a ref and I was out on the floor helping coordinate some things before the first game, normally I wouldnt have been out on the floor) and a parent asked me a question about why things arent always called. I explained as I did above about advantage and disadvantage (I took the little Suzie example above from that coverstation actually). They said that was really helpful. Now that they knew why some things werent called, it really made a difference to them. I didnt get a hoot or holler from that section about a call all game.

But keep in mind that the key thing is player safety, too. If I see a hard foul, that is getting whistled. But even contact can vary. With the lower levels you can have minimum contact due to lack of skill. Sometimes you let that go. Similarly, with older boys (say JV), you can have a little bumping in the post and that is just part of the game at that skill level. If it were freshman girls, that gets a whistle. JV boys, maybe not. JV boys are just going to be a bit more physical. It is a physical game. And they are stronger. They can handle it. The younger girls, not the same.

Anyway, I hope that helps.

Heaven help us. It's GL!! :(

Please don't say that. :eek:

Re: can a referee make all the calls
 

I've really never seen a MLB "referee" tweet his whistle for a walk but I suppose he could. I would suggest he leave that call to the announcers, but I'm just an internet referee so what do I know.

So a rocket scientist, a psychic, and a referee walk into a bar.....

Well said!

"Be bery bery quiet." ( That's my best Elmer Fudd)

Hopefully, he won't find this site.

Why would you call anything in that situation anyway? Lifting the pivot foot isn't a violation prior to a pass.

I think Elmer would say "Be vewy vewy quiet". You're thinking of the Garret Morris sketch where he says, "Baseball been bery bery good to me". :)

Right now I'm thinking of Sister Mary Elephant, who said...

<font size = 20>"SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"</font>

Thank you.

With this, though, you also have to determine who initiated the contact, if the contact affected the final result of the play, and what was the final result of the play.

In freshman girls or varsity boys, or JUCO or NCAA, this principle must always be applied. If I have A1 driving to the basket, and B1 is bumping or hand checking, if A1 is still proceeding to the basket in a somewhat straight line, I might not call that a foul if A1 scores the layup. If the contact from B1 is strong enough, I give the 'And 1'. I'm not going to penalize A1 and stop a layup by bailing out B1 with a cheap hand check at the free-throw line.

Ultimately, both teams just want to score. I try not to take away scoring opportunities in search of the 'cheap' foul.

Would the tower philosophy pertain to this? It has been awhile since I have seen it and even longer since I have read it but it seems like alot of the same principles.