Both players going over line at FT

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by crazy voyager
... shot doesn't count so I couldn't cancle the game ...

Whether shot counts or not, you can't cancel the game .

As Kelvin said, it's a double violation, no team control, go to the arrow.

And Kelvin, I know what you mean when you say " If D crossed first then you would have a delay and then decide if D's actions created A to violate."

But I think it might be useful to clarify a couple of things. If D violates first (and this applies to all violations during a free throw), you give the "delayed violation" signal, which is a fist out to the side. If the shot falls, the violation isn't penalized, but if the shot misses, then you call the violation and give a substitute throw.

Disconcertion is just like any violation. So if the defender violates some other rule, you can just penalize that and ignore the disconcertion aspect. Disconcertion only comes into the picture if the defense is doing something that is not in itself illegal, but could be upseting the shooter's concentration.