Hands and Legs During Free throws

[jritchie]

Originally posted by Ref in PA
Lots of times, when the arms are extended in front of an opponent, B1 will hold A1 such that B1 will get prime boxing out positioning. That is a foul. I will also tell the players to knock if off if they are playing pitty-pat with their arms prior to the FT. I will also tell them not to hold their opponents or enter the lane early. These warnings (if necessary) will be made as I announce and administer the FT. The whistle will clean it up if necessary.

While this "pity pat" (i like that by the way!!) is going on and you are telling them to knock it off, WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED DISCONCERTION??? If so, by who, you for talking or the defense for trying to get his/her hand over the offenses??

[Ref in PA]

Originally posted by jritchie

While this "pity pat" (i like that by the way!!) is going on and you are telling them to knock it off, WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED DISCONCERTION??? If so, by who, you for talking or the defense for trying to get his/her hand over the offenses??

The pitty-pat I refer to is when B1 puts his arm in front of A1 and A1 resonds by placing his arm in front of B1. Then B1 now moves his arm over A1's arm and A1 moves his arm over B1's arm. This action usually goes on before the shooter has the ball, therefore disconcertion is usually not involved. If it happens after the shooter has the ball, it can certainly be considered. If I see it happening then, like on the first shot of a 1-1, I will tell them to knock it off and then judiciously use my whistle to enforce my warning if it was not heeded by the players.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Ref in PA
The pitty-pat I refer to is when B1 puts his arm in front of A1 and A1 resonds by placing his arm in front of B1. Then B1 now moves his arm over A1's arm and A1 moves his arm over B1's arm. This action usually goes on before the shooter has the ball, therefore disconcertion is usually not involved. If it happens after the shooter has the ball, it can certainly be considered. If I see it happening then, like on the first shot of a 1-1, I will tell them to knock it off and then judiciously use my whistle to enforce my warning if it was not heeded by the players.

I stand there and watch. If the contact rises to the level of a foul, I call it. Otherwise, this is legal.

[Adam]

How about we just stop, stare at the two players, and announce quietly, "When you two are done playing patty-cake, we'll continue with the game."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Snaqwells
How about we just stop, stare at the two players, and announce quietly, "When you two are done playing patty-cake, we'll continue with the game."

A simple "Cut that sh!t out" has always worked well for me.

[cdaref]

I presume you are kidding and that you dont really say "sh!t" to the kids.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

I stand there and watch. If the contact rises to the level of a foul, I call it. Otherwise, this is legal.

So using that same prinicple, when two post players are banging away in the lane, you never talk to them or use any preventive officiating? You just there and watch and if the contact rises to the level of a foul, you call it?

[canuckrefguy]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Me too.

Preventative officiating...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by cdaref
I presume you are kidding and that you dont really say "sh!t" to the kids.

I never kid.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I never kid.

Don't you mean that you never were a kid?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Don't you mean that you never were a kid?

They didn't have kids way back then!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

They didn't have kids way back then!

They didn't have "way back then" way back then.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

They didn't have "way back then" way back then.

O, you guys........

You're silly.

I presume that you are kidding.

Right?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

O, you guys........

You're silly.

I presume that you are kidding.

Right?

I never kid.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I never kid.

Oh.....

In that case.......

Shut up.