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FrankHtown Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:07pm

A1 is on the free throw line to shoot 2 shots. While holding the ball (ball not released yet) A2, in the lane, pushes B2. Since the shooter A1 is holding a live ball inbounds, but the clock has not started, does team A have team control? If so, is the foul a team control foul on A2? Does the foul by A2 kill the shot, like if an offensive player commits a foul before the ball is released, you kill the play. Does A1 still get two free throws? Or is the first one gone, and we award the second?


ChuckElias Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:35pm

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A1 is on the free throw line to shoot 2 shots. While holding the ball (ball not released yet) A2, in the lane, pushes B2.

Frank, assuming you meant "along" the lane (if A2 was in the lane, then we have a violation first and disregard the foul unless it's intentional or flagrant), this is a team control foul. It does not "cancel" (for lack of a better word) A1's FTs. Clear the lane, shoot the FTs, then give the ball to B on the endline for a spot throw-in. If Team B is in the bonus, they will not shoot FTs.

FrankHtown Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:43pm

Follow up: If the ball had been released, then there is no team control, and B would shoot free throws if they were in the bonus?

Thank you for the edititng. I did mean along the line.

truerookie Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:45pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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A1 is on the free throw line to shoot 2 shots. While holding the ball (ball not released yet) A2, in the lane, pushes B2.

Clear the lane, shoot the FTs, then give the ball to B on the endline for a spot throw-in. If Team B is in the bonus, they will not shoot FTs.

Chuck, can you be kind and explain why B is not able to run the endline? Is it because of the TC status? clarification please.


Lotto Tue Oct 18, 2005 01:21pm

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Originally posted by FrankHtown
Follow up: If the ball had been released, then there is no team control, and B would shoot free throws if they were in the bonus?
Right.

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Thank you for the edititng. I did mean along the line.

You did type "edititng" on purpose, didn't you?

bob jenkins Tue Oct 18, 2005 01:31pm

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Originally posted by truerookie
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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A1 is on the free throw line to shoot 2 shots. While holding the ball (ball not released yet) A2, in the lane, pushes B2.

Clear the lane, shoot the FTs, then give the ball to B on the endline for a spot throw-in. If Team B is in the bonus, they will not shoot FTs.

Chuck, can you be kind and explain why B is not able to run the endline? Is it because of the TC status? clarification please.


I think B gets to run the end-line. 7-5-7

Lotto Tue Oct 18, 2005 01:38pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by truerookie
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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A1 is on the free throw line to shoot 2 shots. While holding the ball (ball not released yet) A2, in the lane, pushes B2.

Clear the lane, shoot the FTs, then give the ball to B on the endline for a spot throw-in. If Team B is in the bonus, they will not shoot FTs.

Chuck, can you be kind and explain why B is not able to run the endline? Is it because of the TC status? clarification please.


I think B gets to run the end-line. 7-5-7

NCAA 7-5.7 only applies to fouls that are committed after a successful goal. Since the foul here occurs before the try is successful, 7-5.7 does not apply.

M&M Guy Tue Oct 18, 2005 01:45pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by truerookie
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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A1 is on the free throw line to shoot 2 shots. While holding the ball (ball not released yet) A2, in the lane, pushes B2.

Clear the lane, shoot the FTs, then give the ball to B on the endline for a spot throw-in. If Team B is in the bonus, they will not shoot FTs.

Chuck, can you be kind and explain why B is not able to run the endline? Is it because of the TC status? clarification please.


I think B gets to run the end-line. 7-5-7

Even if A misses the second shot?

Dan_ref Tue Oct 18, 2005 01:52pm

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Originally posted by Lotto
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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by truerookie
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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A1 is on the free throw line to shoot 2 shots. While holding the ball (ball not released yet) A2, in the lane, pushes B2.

Clear the lane, shoot the FTs, then give the ball to B on the endline for a spot throw-in. If Team B is in the bonus, they will not shoot FTs.

Chuck, can you be kind and explain why B is not able to run the endline? Is it because of the TC status? clarification please.


I think B gets to run the end-line. 7-5-7

NCAA 7-5.7 only applies to fouls that are committed after a successful goal. Since the foul here occurs before the try is successful, 7-5.7 does not apply.

7-4-1c
8-4-1a

truerookie Tue Oct 18, 2005 02:22pm

TC, decides DS throw-in whether FT's are successful or not. Is that safe to say.

M&M Guy Tue Oct 18, 2005 02:55pm

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Originally posted by truerookie
TC, decides DS throw-in whether FT's are successful or not. Is that safe to say.
Actually, the only thing team control decides is whether B shoots FT's or not; it doesn't help determine if the throw-in is a spot or endline throw-in.

truerookie Tue Oct 18, 2005 03:12pm

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Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Originally posted by truerookie
TC, decides DS throw-in whether FT's are successful or not. Is that safe to say.
Actually, the only thing team control decides is whether B shoots FT's or not; it doesn't help determine if the throw-in is a spot or endline throw-in.

I am trying to collect my bearings on this situation. The foul occurred while A had team control(at FTer disposal). since a foul occurred while A1 had control. "A1" will finish his/her FT's and B will get a DS throw-in regardless if the FT's are successful or not. Correct?

Dan_ref Tue Oct 18, 2005 03:20pm

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Originally posted by truerookie
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Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Originally posted by truerookie
TC, decides DS throw-in whether FT's are successful or not. Is that safe to say.
Actually, the only thing team control decides is whether B shoots FT's or not; it doesn't help determine if the throw-in is a spot or endline throw-in.

I am trying to collect my bearings on this situation. The foul occurred while A had team control(at FTer disposal). since a foul occurred while A1 had control. "A1" will finish his/her FT's and B will get a DS throw-in regardless if the FT's are successful or not. Correct?

Forget TC.

What happens if there's a foul during the FT before the bonus?

bob jenkins Tue Oct 18, 2005 03:38pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Forget TC.

What happens if there's a foul during the FT before the bonus?

Exactly. B gets to run the baseline if the last FT is successful, and it's a spot throw-in if the last FT is unsuccessful.

See FED cases 4.19.8, 4.19.9A, 7.5.7F

Lotto Tue Oct 18, 2005 05:55pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Forget TC.

What happens if there's a foul during the FT before the bonus?

Exactly. B gets to run the baseline if the last FT is successful, and it's a spot throw-in if the last FT is unsuccessful.

See FED cases 4.19.8, 4.19.9A, 7.5.7F

...as long as the foul is committed by teammate of the free-thrower at a location closer to the endline than to the sideline. If the foul is committed by an opponent of the free-thrower or at a location closer to the sideline, then the throw-in will be a designated spot throw-in. (The original post had the foul committed by a teammate of the free-thrower along the lane, so B would retain the right to run.)


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