Circumstances, Fouls, & Penalties in High School Hoop

I have created flow-chart of the relationship between Circumstances, Fouls, & Penalties. I'd be happy to have any constructive criticism, and will tolerate anything else without curmudgeonly excess (you know who you are).

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Man, that's complex and hard to read!! Are the rules really that difficult!?!

I was hoping you would take a look at it. I have a lot of respect for your grasp of the rules.

Naw, actually I went back and deleted that post. You musta got to it before I completed doing that.

I'm trying to cut back back on the "curmudgeonly excess" stuff- especially on Mondays.

<i>"Hasta la vagina"</i> or whatever "goodbye" is in Chinese.

The content looks good on a brief read through, but I agree with Rainmaker, it's kind of difficult to follow. The chart in the rulesbook might be easier to follow.

This chart takes something that's relatively simple and complicates it beyond comprehension. If it makes your life easier, knock yourself out. But I can't imagine it being useful. I liken this to the list of most commonly misundertood rules - ok, you took a lot of time to put this together. So what am I supposed to do with this?

I like it, Jeff. It is a little complex if you're not used to reading a flow-chart (and I'm not really). But the information is good. You didn't mention fighting at all, although I know that's covered under "flagrant". You also say bench T's "may" result in an indirect on the coach. When would it not? You also wimped out on the multiple personal section. "Complex"? :D

Someone's got too much time on their hands.

I agree totally, I have looked at this thing and it is so complicated.

Thanks, Chuck.
 

I have revised it twice (in the last hour, good God, I should bill myself) based on your critique of the 'indirect' issue. Is there a way to do so without lines crossing? Perhaps not.

assignment maker, I like the flow chart. It stimulates the thought process. A Rookie like myself it clears things up even more. Good J-O-B. :D

Why is a player technical listed as an indirect T? Some are but many are not.

I don't think the chart will be very useful. Too complicated.

Some sort of matrix would be a better representation.

Good point. That was changed a couple hours ago.
 

Check out the latest revision, online.

I'd be interested to see how you might organize this material as a matrix.

5 pm Pacific Daylight Time. I like the revision I see now much better. For a certain type of learner, it will be useful, I think. Like the Simplified and Illustrated. Good for some people. I'd be interested to see the same info in several different forms, such as the matrix that Camron suggests, a chart that's more comprehensible than the one in the Fed book, maybe even something that comes from the opposite direction -- consequences at the top, down to fouls at the bottom.

Also, a chart/matrix/flowchart for Correctable Errors.
............................. for Resuming Play Procedure.
............................. for a general, variable pre-game.

You forgot the part of the penalty for a flagrant technical on a coach where he has to go out in the parking lot and wash my car.

It is considered a player technical for a pregame/intermission dunk....10-3-5....which is an indirect on the coach.

The chart was attempting to say that but I did't understand that the note under the player technical box.

Hey, where'd my post go!?!
 

Yes, that's correct. Very good! :)

However, even though the rule is under 10-3, the technical is charged to the TEAM MEMBER. Since the team member is considered bench personnel, the indirect goes to the coach. That's why the rule states, "This item applies to all team members," and the technical foul table says "Team Mamber."

I've alwys thought this rule should be listed under 10-4.

thanks for all your labor, assign. I like the chart. No question it looks complicated on first viewing but a few moments of reading reveals that it is very helpful for studying and reviewing the rules. If you give it a little study it will solidify your knowledge and quick selection of the correct penalty. thanks again.

Re: Hey, where'd my post go!?!
 

Thanks for the comment. Here's what I see:

Under 3-1, a 'team' is defined as consisting of 5 players.

And, in 4-34-1, "A player is one of 5 team members who are legally on the court at any given time."

4-34-2 says that "Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s), and statistician(s)."

10-3-4 says "This item [the prohibition against dunking or grasping during a dead ball period] applies to all team members".

In the light of these 4 references, I infer that either:

1) 'Team' really does mean the 5 players, and that the reason for 10-3-4 is to make it clear that it applies to a player without the ball as well as one with it; or

2) 'Team' in 10-3-4 is being used in a non-rules-based, common language way, as in 'everybody on the team' - including little Freddy Benchwarmer, who, unable to control himself again, dunks the ball during a time-out.

I think you could treat little Freddy's moment-in-the-sun as a Bench Technical under 10-4-1, committing an unsporting foul, which "includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as . . ." 10-4-1.f, "inciting undesirable crowd reactions"? And indirect one to the coach that way.

In which case 'team' members as referenced in 10-3-4 really are the 5 players as defined in the rules.

I'm gonna stick with what I have for the moment, though you have me worried!

I'm glad some folks are finding this idea helpful
 

I'm glad some folks are finding this idea helpful.