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truerookie Thu Oct 13, 2005 05:05pm

How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2

tjones1 Thu Oct 13, 2005 05:16pm

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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
I don't have them sign it, however I get verbal confirmation that it is correct.

Dan_ref Thu Oct 13, 2005 05:17pm

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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
How many coaches know how to sign their name? :D

I never make anyone sign anything.

truerookie Thu Oct 13, 2005 05:21pm


How many coaches know how to sign their name? :D

You have a point there. :D

walter Thu Oct 13, 2005 05:44pm

When I go over to verify the book, I look for primarily two things, equal number of players in each book and that there are no illegal or duplicate numbers. I do not pay much attention to names. I also designate the home book as the official book and the home scorer as the official scorer. I then have the two scorers introduce themselves to each other and ask them to verify that they are in agreement after each basket and foul and to verify that they have the same score at each timeout and quarter at a minimum. Once that is done, I talk to the timer for a few seconds and then go back out to the floor. I never ask the coach to sign the book. I will say that one of my [et peeves is that, at the high school level, especially when JV games are played before the varsity games, the books are rarely ready at the 10 minute mark. That is why I usually wait to check it until the 7-8 minute mark. If the home bok is not ready by then, I have started games with a technical foul.

stripes Thu Oct 13, 2005 06:00pm

I do every game because it absolves me of responsibility with the head coach. If there is ever a problem with the book, I show the coach the mark made by the asst. coach and tell him that the asst. coach's signiture (or initials) verify that he had reviewed the book and deemed it correct. At that point it is on the assistant coach and not on me.

This has been a luxury for me a few times when there was an error. Coach can't really say anything to you.

truerookie Thu Oct 13, 2005 08:51pm

I will say that one of my [et peeves is that, at the high school level, especially when JV games are played before the varsity games, the books are rarely ready at the 10 minute mark. That is why I usually wait to check it until the 7-8 minute mark. If the home bok is not ready by then, I have started games with a technical foul.

Walter, I understand you give a little leeway if the book is not ready by the 10 minute mark. The question I will ask. Is it asking too much for them to prepare the book between halves of a JV game? I am just asking.

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 13, 2005 08:59pm

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Originally posted by truerookie
I will say that one of my [et peeves is that, at the high school level, especially when JV games are played before the varsity games, the books are rarely ready at the 10 minute mark. That is why I usually wait to check it until the 7-8 minute mark. If the home bok is not ready by then, I have started games with a technical foul.

Walter, I understand you give a little leeway if the book is not ready by the 10 minute mark. The question I will ask. Is it asking too much for them to prepare the book between halves of a JV game? I am just asking.

Rook, just a point. There is <b>no</b> rules requirement for the book to be "ready" at the 10-minute mark....or at any mark for that matter. The rules only require the teams to <b>supply</b> their team roster to the scorer by that time. After that, it doesn't really matter how long it takes the scorer to actually enter that roster into the book.

Just wanted to make sure that you understood the actual requirements of that particular rule.

truerookie Thu Oct 13, 2005 09:09pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by truerookie
I will say that one of my [et peeves is that, at the high school level, especially when JV games are played before the varsity games, the books are rarely ready at the 10 minute mark. That is why I usually wait to check it until the 7-8 minute mark. If the home bok is not ready by then, I have started games with a technical foul.

Walter, I understand you give a little leeway if the book is not ready by the 10 minute mark. The question I will ask. Is it asking too much for them to prepare the book between halves of a JV game? I am just asking.

Rook, just a point. There is <b>no</b> rules requirement for the book to be "ready" at the 10-minute mark....or at any mark for that matter. The rules only require the teams to <b>supply</b> their team roster to the scorer by that time. After that, it doesn't really matter how long it takes the scorer to actually enter that roster into the book.

Just wanted to make sure that you understood the actual requirements of that particular rule.

JR. can I call you JR? thanks :D

ChuckElias Thu Oct 13, 2005 09:10pm

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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
What is "IAW rule 2"? More generally, what is IAW?

truerookie Thu Oct 13, 2005 09:16pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
What is "IAW rule 2"? More generally, what is IAW?

In Accordance With (IAW)

Dan_ref Thu Oct 13, 2005 09:45pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
What is "IAW rule 2"? More generally, what is IAW?

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Ref in PA Fri Oct 14, 2005 07:20am

When I am the "R" on the crew, I have each coach review the book for their team to make sure the line-up supplied to the scorer got into the book correctly. It prevents on average 2 book technicals a year in my experience. The coaches who have never looked at the book before seem puzzled why I would have them review it, but the lightbulb turns on quickly and most all of them are appreciative for the review - especially when that occasional mistake has been revealed.

joseph2493 Fri Oct 14, 2005 07:41am

After meeting with the coach I draw a line under the last name and ask him/her to initial and I initial as well...

If a name is added to the book then it has to go below that line and there will be no dispute that it was added...

Like others it has saved me many time from having to issue a T...

bob jenkins Fri Oct 14, 2005 09:52am

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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
Which part of Rule 2 requires this?

Jurassic Referee Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:01am

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
Which part of Rule 2 requires this?

LOL.....I was waiting for somebody....

closely_guarded Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:40am

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Originally posted by walter
When I go over to verify the book, I look for primarily two things, equal number of players in each book
There don't really have to be equal number of players in each book. For example, Team A can have 10 players and Team B can have 9..........

rainmaker Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:03am

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Originally posted by closely_guarded
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Originally posted by walter
When I go over to verify the book, I look for primarily two things, equal number of players in each book
There don't really have to be equal number of players in each book. For example, Team A can have 10 players and Team B can have 9..........

I think he means that he checks to see that the visitor's scorebook and the home scorebook match.

tjones1 Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:07am

And...
 
I think c_g was kidding. But, it's also to verify the number of players on the floor that your partner (or yourself) counted matches what's in the book.

rainmaker Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:13am

Re: And...
 
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I think c_g was kidding.
my humor chip must have fallen off line.

truerookie Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:51am

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by truerookie
How many (officials) actually have the coach sign the scorebook verifying the lineup is correct? IAW rule 2
Which part of Rule 2 requires this?

I was on NFHS web site and looked under instruction and duties of scorer; before the game. released 5/30/04. #5 mentioned having the coach sign that the line-up is correct. I look in the rules book and I could not find it in there. Thus, having me to ask the question.

walter Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:53pm

I did mean having the home book and visitor's book have the same number of players for the home team and the same number of players for the visiting team. Thanks, Juulie. As for the book being prepared during the JV game, in theory it's a great idea. In practice, however, most teams have a student keep the book (there are some exceptions). Unfortunately, those students are rarely seen or heard from until right after the JV game ends if not later than that. I am sure I'm not the only one that sees the kid walk in and go over to the coach and ask for the book and then go looking for the other team's scorer for their lineup. I also use the line after the last name in each book but I still don't have the coach sign. I carry a red pen in my jacket for this purpose so it can't be erased.


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