Just hoping that this forum will focus more
on improving knowledge and spend less time with
off-topic posts and bickering this new season.

I'll be recruiting and training a large group in the next
few weeks and will be directing them to this site as
a great resource for rules, philosophy and the like.
Oops and the occassional good-natured humor.

Please give them what they need to become successful officials.

BTW thank you to those who helped to improve my list of
Most Misunderstood Rules.
I'll make sure to note that a coach can only "request" the timeout.

Have a great season.
Barry Alman, san Diego, CA
www.sdboss.com

You got it, Barry. I'll cut back on my Red Sox posts to less than 6 a day. I can't go without bickering, tho. So you're screwed there.


And the bickering! Mad love for the bickering!! And then you must give us all a good spanking!


I thought BillyMac put that together. He's a Connecticut guy, isn't he? http://officialforum.com/thread/22184 Maybe there's another list that I missed while I was bickering. . .

If you don't grant it, is he allowed to bicker? Is he an African or European <s>swallow</s> coach?

Thanks for letting us know what's appropriate to think and write. ;)

Now, Chuck, surely those Idiots aren't feeling as much pressure as you are right now. So don't take it out on poor ol' bossref. Besides, I never thought we did much bickering on this site. It's all good information, right?

Hey Barry, sorry you think we're screwing off on the job but even in my real job (which I don't do for free btw...well close to free but not entirely free) we get to have fun every now & then.

More than likely you'll have little left to say about your beloved Red Sox by Saturday, Sunday at the latest.

Hey - quit bickering.

Shut up.

No, you shut up.

:D

OK.

Join the California Basketball Official Association(CBOA).

http://www.cboa.net/sandiegocounty.html

Now, I would've directed them to the National Ferderation:

http://www.nfhs.org/

Naw, they can get an idea about the rules from the NFHS web site, but the San Diego chapter of the CBOA will give them the proper training and get them into high school ball in their area, and maybe even beyond if they're good enough. The CBOA is the recognized officials association for all of CA. At least, that was my impression. Maybe somebody from CA can correct me if I'm wrong.

Btw, what's a "ferderation". A nation comprised of Ferds?

Hey Chuck, Your Red Sox are in a world of s**t. No one one to get it to your closer. Oh I forgot you have no closer. White Sox are hoping the Red Sox are the Wild Card. They're the best match up for them. Hey who's going to take Bucky ****** Dent as the Yankees hero this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Ferd is a F*!#@n Nerd. And apparently I'm President. :rolleyes: Be careful; don't be takin' Mr. Spelling Guy's job.

I don't disagree, I was just trying to point out all possibilities. I was also going to point out the NCAA website as well for some rule info. But there is no better way to learn than to be a member of a local association. I have worked with officials that didn't even belong to our local association ("Aw, it's just a waste of time, and it's so political..."), and it shows. They have no real clue as to what's happening on the floor.

Believe me, every other team wants the White Sox in the first round. BTW, you're posting in the wrong thread. Try http://officialforum.com/thread/19524

Maybe you're right ................
 

........that there's a time/place for humor,
especially in the "off-season".

And you guys run (moderate) this site,
so I guess you've got your own 'elastic" clause.

I just hoped that I could direct people to this forum for a
good learning experience and to get rules interpretations
and philosophical points of view, which they will, after
they filter out what's not pertinent (IMO).

Just FYI I created a one page list of Misunderstood Rules about 20 years ago for adult rec league players and novice
officials who don't belong to a high school association.
It served its purpose for a long time.
Recently, I've forwarded the original to a gentleman in
Connecticut who refined it very well, and used it for
a class he taught and for his IAABO Board as well.

Also, none of those who are affiliated with my business
are members of CBOA or any other local organization in San Diego, because we work year round recreational leagues,
not high school sanctioned events.
My intent is to raise the level of understanding and professionalism so that we won't be looked at as inferior
as compared to the high school "association".

So yes, GO RED SOX, and Patriots
and yes, run off topic posts, but please
occasionally sprinkle in some meaningful discussions
so the game can be elevated by informed arbiters.

Good stuff guys (and ladies).
I like this site and what it stands for.

Re: Maybe you're right ................
 

All they have to do is post a question, and they get good, Fed or NCAA rules descriptions, interps, and discussion.

PS The parallel construction of guys isn't "ladies", it's "gals". The parallel construction of "ladies" is "gentlemen". Jane Austen is very clear on that point.

PPSS ...and there's no reason to put it in parentheses, unless you're trying to say that gals and guys aren't equal....and I know that even if you think that, you are smart enough not to say it.

[Edited by rainmaker on Oct 3rd, 2005 at 10:00 AM]

Re: Re: Maybe you're right ................
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rainmaker

Quote:

Originally posted by bossref Jane Austen is very clear on that point. [Edited by rainmaker on Oct 3rd, 2005 at 10:00 AM]

Of course, no self-respecting man would have ever read anything by Jane Austen that wasn't required of him in school so it isn't very likely that many here would have a clue about anything that Ms. Austen has expounded upon.

That being said, your point is well taken.

Re: Re: Maybe you're right ................
 

PPSS ...and there's no reason to put it in parentheses, unless you're trying to say that gals and guys aren't equal....and I know that even if you think that, you are smart enough not to say it.

[/B][/QUOTE]Whoa....you mean guys and ladies are equal now? When did that happen?

Geeze, I musta been absent that day.

Btw, Jane Austen was a part-time table dancer too. And a great one. Writing didn't pay much in those days.

Re: Re: Maybe you're right ................
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rainmaker
PPSS ...and there's no reason to put it in parentheses, unless you're trying to say that gals and guys aren't equal....and I know that even if you think that, you are smart enough not to say it.

Actually, the parentheses are used correctly to denote an insincere politically correct phrase that is only inserted to appease certain sentimentalities who feel incorrectly that 'guys' is an exclusively masculine term. But 'gals' would be correct if it were needed.

Is this far enough off topic for you?

[Edited by Jimgolf on Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:37 PM]

Re: Re: Re: Maybe you're right ................
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jimgolf

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker PPSS ...and there's no reason to put it in parentheses, unless you're trying to say that gals and guys aren't equal....and I know that even if you think that, you are smart enough not to say it. Actually, the parentheses are used correctly to denote an insincere politically correct phrase that is only inserted to appease certain sentimentalities who feel incorrectly that 'guys' is an exclusively masculine term. But 'gals' would be correct if it were needed. Is this far enough off topic for you? [Edited by Jimgolf on Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:37 PM]

Including "gals" in parentheses doesn't feel real politically correct to me. Why would anyone want to be tacked on as an afterthought?

And actually, "guys" IS an exclusively masculine term, equivalent to "gentlemen". I know that many, many, many people will refer to a group as "you guys" but that is not correct English, and never will be. The reason for the error is the incorrect belief that "you" is singular. It isn't.

SO when a waitress says, "Are you ready?" and the idjuts at the table say, "I don't know about them, but I am!" the waitress should smile condescendingly and take their order, knowing that their English isn't as good as hers. Instead, she gets tired of thinking she's wrong, and begins to say, "Are you guys ready to order?" At this point my grandmother used to get up and walk out after explaining to the manager that proper language usage is the foundation of all civilization and the employees of this restaurant had made it clear to her that this institution was moving away from that noble goal.

She was a magnificent woman, my grandmother, and I can't hope to ever walk in her shoes. But every once in a while I walk out on a waitress who says, "you guys" just to honor her memory.

Is that off topic enough, Barry Alman?

You guys (gals)are funny.
 

Most every time I post, it becomes a fairly
long thread, whether on topic or off topic.

Just glad to make my contribution.

Sometimes you people are funny!

Re: You guys (gals)are funny.
 

Let's all agree that "guys/gals" is the politically correct way to include everyone, and that "guys (gals)" is definitely over the line.

Whether or not a person approves of being concerned about political correctness, let's at least agree about what it is. That way, when someone is politically incorrect that person can at least have the satisfaction of being consciously obnoxious. Why offend people inadvertantly and not get to enjoy it?

why???
 

why does it have to be "guys/gals"???? is that still saying that guys are always first?? why not "gals/guys"? just figured i could stir the pot a little more

Re: why???
 

Because, that's why.

(The rules are simple in PC land.)

Re: why???
 

If you feel wickedly rebellious putting guys first in the "guys/gals" thing, that's fine. You go right ahead, dearie!

Re: Re: why???
 

Actually, accusing anyone of simplism is incredibly offensive and incorrect. Can't you get anything straight?!

Re: Re: Re: why???
 

****, I ****ed up again.

Re: Re: why???
 

You're just a-scared to tell Juulie to shut up! :D

Re: Re: Re: why???
 

Shucks, I could never say shut up to a <s>girl</s> <s>gal</s> <s>woman</s> <s>broad</s> <s>non-man</s> <s>one-a-them-other-kinds</s> AAARARRGGGHH!

<s>Mick!</s> Hey Chuck! <s>Shut up!</s> [Dan making joke]!!

[Edited by mick on Oct 5th, 2005 at 05:03 PM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: why???
 

When I was a parent, we'd allowed [tolerated] some pretty nasty responses in our house U.P. here, but those two words were never permitted.
So, ... I cannot hear you.
There!
mick

It's been awhile since I visited the Basketball Forum....

I'm glad to see that nothing has changed..... :)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: why???
 

Ooops, sorry Mick, my mistake, I somehow thought it was you.

Hey Chuck! dexter!!


[Edited by mick on Oct 5th, 2005 at 04:40 PM]

Re: Re: You guys (gals)are funny.
 

The correct usage of words most often comes from the common usage of words. Check older dictionaries in comparison to current ones. You'll find several words that were commonly used in conversation and writing well before the dictionaries reflected that common usage. Dictionary entries are created based on usage, not to define usage.

There are many people who use you guys as a general term for people of both genders. If it is not currently so , it will one day be considered acceptable in spite of the crusades of the political correctness police.

Re: Re: why???
 

So what is ewes guys? I often hear that one in the movies - generally by some high school drop out gangster/mafia dude/dudette. Ewes guys - Male or Female? Transgender?

And now we're adding "dearie" to the mix. I suppose the gender connotation of that word depends upon the gender of the one saying it? And is this term singular or plural?

I'm getting so cornfuzled.
:D

Re: Re: Re: why???
 

http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Picture/Animal/datewyom.jpg

Does that answer your question, Downtown, ol' buddy?