Where can I find the place to cut and paste rules or case book passages to put in an E-Mail?

No place. You can only get them from the ARS CD.

Or spend all your free time reading and typing.

You should see the blisters I have on the tips of the two fingers I use to type. Wanna see which fingers? ;)

:D

Can't you get them from the NFHS web-site now? (If you know what you're looking for). I seem to recall a post that they were there, but I haven't really checked.

Yes, but my understnading is that you cannot copy and paste from the site.

Where are they located on their site?

From the main site go to Sports and Rules information. From their go to Online Publications.

You need to be an NFHS member, but as an IHSA official, you are already a member. You may have to figure out your login information to complete your access.

Thanks Grail

Not really,
 

There seems to be some confusion with FED "cut & paste".

To be a "FEDERATION Member" you must be a school. Individual officials are not "members" of FED.

All schools that are "members" of FED have the availability to have an electronic version of all FED documents. These can be used in many ways.

FED still professes to their original stand:

"Since the National Federation of High Schools runs no national tournamnets (i.e. as does the NCAA) a large portion of our operational budget comes from the sales of all of our rules books and manuals.

"The NFHS at this time has no plan to make rules books, case books, or officiating manuals available on line where they can be copied and distributed in violation of our copywrite."

So if any of you find different information PLEASE inform us all.

Thanks,

T

Re: Yup, really,
 

OK, I'll inform you.

You don't have to be a "school" to be an NFHS member.You can also be a member of an Officials Association.

At nfhs.org, you'll see a menu on the left hand side. If you click on "Forms and Applications", that will take you to "Membership Applications"--- on there you will see "Officials Associations"--click that and it takes you to a membership form for officials along with an explanation. You might already be a member through your state association, but if not, you can still join if you become or are a member of an affiliated officials association.

Your NFHS membership still only allows you to view the on-line rule and case books. You aren't allowed to download any part of them though. As Tee said, if you want hard copies, you have to buy the books.

JR,
 

Thank you.

That is what I was trying to say.

Let us put it this way:

There are TWO types of members. Each type has a different relationship with the NFHS.

Your local high school member has a cyber version of the rules that THEY CAN cut paste and copy.

Your local individual member has access to the the cyber rules but you MUST BUY books (or type the section being posted) and are unable to cut and paste their books.

Again JR, thanks.

Re: JR,
 

Yup, just a small clarification, Tim. I knew we were on the same page.

If you can read the whole rulebook, what stops you from cutting it and pasting it? Is it in some format that doesn't allow cutting? I've never heard of that.

I don't have a clue what software,firewall,whatever the FED uses to stop you from downloading(printing) something you are reading outa the rule or case book on their web site. There's a question on their web site FAQ that says "Why am I not able to print the information online?". The FED answer just sez that the material is copyrighted and is NOT to be reprinted,and if you really want a printed copy, buy the damn books,cheapo.

I'm not talking about downloading. I'm talking about cutting (Ctrl-C) and pasting (Ctrl-V). What could prevent your computer from moving text to the clipboard? I'm just curious. I've never heard of that capability.

And I do buy the rulebooks. My IAABO dues get me the rulebook, casebook and manual every year, Mr. Smartypants.

Now boys, that's quite enough of the name-calling.

Actually, I've been in their rules section, and it is possible to do the Copy and Paste functions that Chuck mentions. But what makes it not very useful is how it set up. First, you bring up a window that shows the rules sections. Then you click on the rule you want to look at (like say, for example, Rule 9 - Violations and Penalties, so you can look up whether a player can soccer-kick a ball from OOB...), then you have to click on each section under that rule, and so on, until you get to the sentence or paragraph. If that's not the section you want, you then go back to the previous sections and try another. You would spend a lot of time copying more than one section. The books are DEFINITELY easier to read and navigate.

Now Chuck, I realize the rule book and case book come out every year, but how do you manage to get the manual every year as well? Mine only comes every other year. So how do you rate, Mr. Know-It-All?

Chuck, the capability exists. There are many sites where you can't cut and paste or otherwise save any of their graphics or photos. It's not unusual at all.

I thought there wasn't going to be any more name-calling, Mr. Hypocrite! ;)

IAABO provides one book every year that contains the IAABO handbook, the rulebook, the casebook, and a mechanics manual. Until last year, they just reprinted the old manual in years that it wasn't updated. However, last year, IAABO inserted their own 2-whistle manual and deleted the Fed portion of the manual. It was insinuated at the Denver meeting that the FED wants to get out of the business of printing a mechanics manual and that it would be left completely up to IAABO to supply a mechanics manual for high school basketball. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, since the FED makes money by selling books, but that's what was said.

AMazing wht a rulebook and a scanner can do.

Hey, I was talking about you guys; I didn't include myself in that command. ;)

We get our Genuine, 100% Official National Federation publications through our state association (Illinois) after we've paid our dues. We get 3 books every season - a Rules Book and Case Book for that season, a Handbook every even-numbered year, and the Official's Manual every odd-numbered year.

It's interesting you said the NF is wanting to get out of printing a mechanics manual. I wonder if they just aren't making enough back to cover their costs. I can't imagine they want to not send this info out, especially to younger officials.

So how will the rest of us non-IAABO members every find out the right way of doing things? Is this just a subtle attempt by the IAABO to take over the entire country? Hey, you didn't by any chance get to the meeting in Denver in one of those large, black helicopters, did you Mr. Travel-All-Over-the-Country?

And I do buy the rulebooks. My IAABO dues get me the rulebook, casebook and <font color = red>manual</font> every year, Mr. Smartypants. [/B][/QUOTE]The NFHS manual or the IAABO manual? Iow, the one that's right or the IAABO manual? :D

I've read the IAABO mechanics manual. It's funny.

Now, being a real live certified IAABO board rules interpreter, Chuck,I realize that ya gotta drink the kool-aid, but.....you are kidding right? IAABO is not gonna let their 1,000,000 monkeys with typewriters loose again to write a mechanics manual for the rest of us, are they? Please say it ain't so. That would be the end of life as we know it.

Hmmm, the only way I know of is if there were .pdf files. I'm going to have to log in and see what's going on. As far as graphics or photos (not being able to right click), that's easy to get around.

Just to be clear about my earlier post: The mechanics manual that we normally get from IAABO is the FED manual. Last year, however, IAABO replaced the 2-whistle portion of the FED manual with their own and distributed it with the FED rulebook and casebook.

It's not that different. I'm pretty sure that there are only two differences in the 2-whistle portion (which is the only portion I've seen).

First, IAABO mechanics call for the "old" time-out positions: one official with the ball at the spot and the other official at the midcourt line.

Second, when the ball goes OOB in the frontcourt on the Lead's sideline above the FT line extended, FED mechanics say the Lead switches to the Trail position and administers the FT, b/c it was his sideline to begin with. (Obviously, the Trail switches to be the new Lead.) The IAABO mechanic is for the old Trail to administer the throw-in and the old Lead to assume his new position on the opposite side of the FT lane.

Those don't seem like very "funny" differences to me. I could live with either option.

If they use flash or some such technology, it will not be selectable text. If you cant select it, you can't copy it. You could always resort to a screenshot :|