Sports Illustrated meets Ted Valentine

[Love this Game]

Originally posted by whistleone
It's a shame that Ted's "off season personality", as described in the original post, isn't always evident when I watch him on television.

Have you ever totally watched one of his games, have you watched it form beginning to end.

He is a awesome official, he is great.

I think he calls teh game from a players opinion not form a coaches POV.

And that is why he is not like by many coaches.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Love this Game

to be honest Bobby and him dont have a issue, it is just that Bobby tries to get away with things and Ted is not trying to hear it.

I read a article when Bobbie has a lot of respect for Ted and the way he calls the game

Say what?

I've got Bobby Knight's recent autobiography in my library. Talking about officials, this is what he says about Ted Valentine:
"I like and respected a lot of guys. But my favorite was Charlie Fouty. And there's no question who's at the other end of that list; my least favorite. I have as little respect for Ted Valentine as any person I've ever known. I'll always feel he took an NCAA semifinal game away from us in 1992 at Minnesota, making our kids pay when- I don't think there's any question about it- he used me to gain recognition for himself. Then six years later, it cost me ten thousand dollars to tell the truth when I called the way he officiated in our 1998 Illinois game in Bloomington a travesty".

Knight's other comment in his book about Valentine also concerned that same Illinois game- "I'll stand by my comment: the way that guy worked that game was the greatest travesty I've ever seen by an official. And the three technical fouls- the first was absurd, the second even the Big Ten said should not have been called, and, because it meant ejection, it lead directly to the third".

Sure sounds to me like Knight still has some "issues" with Teddy Valentine.

[Love this Game]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Say what?

I've got Bobby Knight's recent autobiography in my library. Talking about officials, this is what he says about Ted Valentine:
"I like and respected a lot of guys. But my favorite was Charlie Fouty. And there's no question who's at the other end of that list; my least favorite. I have as little respect for Ted Valentine as any person I've ever known. I'll always feel he took an NCAA semifinal game away from us in 1992 at Minnesota, making our kids pay when- I don't think there's any question about it- he used me to gain recognition for himself. Then six years later, it cost me ten thousand dollars to tell the truth when I called the way he officiated in our 1998 Illinois game in Bloomington a travesty".

Knight's other comment in his book about Valentine also concerned that same Illinois game- "I'll stand by my comment: the way that guy worked that game was the greatest travesty I've ever seen by an official. And the three technical fouls- the first was absurd, the second even the Big Ten said should not have been called, and, because it meant ejection, it lead directly to the third".

Sure sounds to me like Knight still has some "issues" with Teddy Valentine.

I still think he is a great official, Bobbie Knight not liking him means nothing.

This man calls a great game, call him what you want and say what you want he is a great coach. What is the difference that B.K. punching his players, does that take away from his coaching.

I have seen many games called terribly.

I will use myself, this weekend I did a tournament, I gave one of the players and the coach a T on saturday.

I came back Sunday to do the the last 4 games including the Championsihp.

Who do you think was my first team i saw, it was the team that I gave the T to. They want to the tournament director and told him they did not want me to officiate there game because I did not like them.

First, Saturday is the first time i have seen this team in my life, so i really dont know them to dislike them. And what most people dont understand that as an official we have to let the previous game go and give them a clean slate, but do the coaches and players do that.

So they look for anything to pick abt.

I think that BK looks for things when TV does his games.

You dont have to like a person to officiate a great game for them. I think not liking them and still giving them a great game shows a lot of composure of a great official.

Tell me what do you think!!!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Love this Game

I still think he is a great official, Bobbie Knight not liking him means nothing.

This man calls a great game, call him what you want and say what you want he is a great coach. What is the difference that B.K. punching his players, does that take away from his coaching.

I have seen many games called terribly.

I will use myself, this weekend I did a tournament, I gave one of the players and the coach a T on saturday.

I came back Sunday to do the the last 4 games including the Championsihp.

Who do you think was my first team i saw, it was the team that I gave the T to. They want to the tournament director and told him they did not want me to officiate there game because I did not like them.

First, Saturday is the first time i have seen this team in my life, so i really dont know them to dislike them. And what most people dont understand that as an official we have to let the previous game go and give them a clean slate, but do the coaches and players do that.

So they look for anything to pick abt.

I think that BK looks for things when TV does his games.

You dont have to like a person to officiate a great game for them. I think not liking them and still giving them a great game shows a lot of composure of a great official.

Tell me what do you think!!!!!

Uh, I was just telling you what Bobby Knight thought, not what I personally think. What Knight thought about Valentine, and subsequently wrote in his book, was completely different than what you posted above. You posted that Knight doesn't have any issues with Valentine and also respects him. Well, Knight said the exact opposite about Valentine in his book, as I quoted him verbatim above. That was my point. I haven't called or said anything about Ted Valentine so far in this thread.

[Love this Game]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Uh, I was just telling you what Bobby Knight thought, not what I personally think. What Knight thought about Valentine, and subsequently wrote in his book, was completely different than what you posted above. You posted that Knight doesn't have any issues with Valentine and also respects him. Well, Knight said the exact opposite about Valentine in his book, as I quoted him verbatim above. That was my point. I haven't called or said anything about Ted Valentine so far in this thread.

You could be absolutely right, I was talking abt something i read earlier, I have not read BK book.

This is or was not an attack on you, i was just asking what do you think abt his officiating skills?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Love this Game
i was just asking about what think abt his officiating skills? [/B]

Well, obviously Teddie Valentine is one of the top officials around. You don't work at his level, and stay working at his level for as long as he has, unless you're consistently doing a good job in the opinion of the people who hired you.

There isn't an official in the world that doesn't miss or blow a call every now and then. What separates the good from the great officials is the frequency of the missed or blown calls. The better the official, the fewer the misses.

[whistleone]

Originally posted by Love this Game

Have you ever totally watched one of his games, have you watched it form beginning to end.

He is a awesome official, he is great.

I think he calls teh game from a players opinion not form a coaches POV.

And that is why he is not like by many coaches.

I have watched Ted many times as he officiates in the two conferences I watch the most (ACC & Big Ten +1). I will agree that he is one of the best in the business (he certainly has the resume to prove it). In my opinion, he seems to draw attention to himself more than is necessary. Ted's body language presents a different image than what was described in jimgolf & LTG's posts.

[JRutledge]

Not only have I watched Teddy V for many years on TV, I had the opportunity to watch him in person several times at the Big Ten Tournament in both Chicago and Indy. I think Teddy gets a bad rap for his behavior. The reality is many D1 officials do the very same things. Many officials just did not have such a big incident with such a well known coach. I am sure if someone had T'd up a coach as well known and with a similar reputation, we might talk about them as well. I have watched other officials so similar things on the court but we do not talk about them in the media or hear. Of course the most public situation was the incident with Bobby Knight at the Illinois/Indiana game. I also think people bring some very idealistic view to officiating as well as if all of us behave the same way on the court. Teddy V is not different than most officials. He is very confident in himself and it shows by how he carries himself on the court. I think he is clearly one of the best officials around and won an award this year that said just that.

Peace

[Ref54]

What award did Valentine win?

[canuckref]

let me lip read:

knight: are your f**cking ears bleeding yet?!!!
valentine: say it, don't spray it

[Adam]

Wait a second, Teddy T'd up Bobby Knight, Bobby didn't like it, and Teddy's still officiating? How is this possible?! My faith in Old School is fading fast. Help?

[fullor30]

Does anyone know the crew that did Ohio State/Wisconsin game Sunday?

Just my ignorance as they are biggies and I don't know their names.

Fun to watch the real pros.....

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Does anyone know the crew that did Ohio State/Wisconsin game Sunday?

Just my ignorance as they are biggies and I don't know their names.

Fun to watch the real pros.....

Jim Burr, Donnee Gray, Ted Hillary

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by FeelTheHeat233

Hey, I’m a representative of Coke Zero...

If you are going to fill out two brackets. Do one manually, and do the other with the Bracket-O-Matic (www.bracketomatic.com).

WTF?

[Adam]

JR, at least he's a step up from nikepopularshoe.