I think some posters are at this tournament. Anybody see this happen? Or maybe even responsible for it??

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=141&p=2&c=412822

:rolleyes:

Anyway, I'd like to hear the refs' version of why the T's were issued.

This is hardly rec ball. The Vegas sneaker company Championships are for the unofficial National Championship. Any team in the final 8 would give most mid-major NCAA teams serious problems. Every college coach in the country sends a representative to one or all three of these tournaments.

I was going to ask about this too, since in the NYC area coaches are seldom advised to stay in the coaches box. I've never even seen an AAU coach seat-belted after a technical foul. When the rules are not enforced, coaches get used to privileges they're not entitled to.

The coach should clearly have known better after the first T. Team Odom had 3 teams in the tournament and I suspect that they had the coaches spread too thin.

"Suspect circumstances"

"on the receiving end of a number of questionable calls, but still battled."

That's great, unbiased reporting :rolleyes:

Unofficial National Championship of what? :confused:

Rec ball?

Maybe sneaker ball?

I know this is tiny, but wasn't the camp in LV the ADIDAS Super 64 tournament?

There were three major summer tournaments in Las Vegas last week for travel teams, sometimes inaccurately referred to as AAU teams. These tournaments are predominantly for the top sneaker-company sponsored teams and include Reebok Big Time (the original summer tournament), Nike Main Event, and adidas Super 64, as well as Pango's Midnite Madness tournament. Additionally, this year the winner of the Adidas and the Nike tournaments met in a game televised nationally on College Sports TV.

This past week was the last of the two evaluation periods for NCAA Division I coaches to look at prospects. Some teams featured as many as 10 legitimate Division I prospects. The Reebok championship featured the two top prospects in the country, Greg Oden and OJ Mayo.

There are over 500 teams in town and collectively these tournaments may represent the largest basketball event in the country.

With the number of games going on, I'm surprised that every ref in Nevada wasn't working. Someone on the board must have been working that game or watching it.

Just a couple of mostly insignificant comments. Someone previously mentioned that in one of these tournaments, Nike I believe, that the 'locals' only had two gyms. The others were serviced by an officiating clinic and the officials in attendance.

Although, I agree with you JimGolf in part, I think you went too far in one of your statements. These ARE very good teams with great talent and the best players in the country, but I don't believe they could really play with the top NCAA teams.

I think I said mid-majors. Indy Spiece Heat will essentially be 4 of the Ohio State starting 5 after next year, so we'll see. NJ Panthers have 4 players who will probably be Mc Donald's All-Americans next year. NY Panthers had practically the entire NY and NJ ABCD camp all-star contingent, and they only won 1 or 2 games.

Last week I worked the Super 64 with Coast to Coast, and this week there's another tournament here in Vegas, called the National Youth Basketball Championships (I believe it's sponsored by Nike, but not as big as Main Event), which is also NCAA sanctioned, but not nearly as many college coaches in attendance.

Anyhow, I had a situation similar to the one described today, in which none of the coaches on one team were NCAA certified, so the tournament director informed us that there would be no active coaches on the bench, but they'd be supervised. I was dubious, but agreed to play. Big mistake, the coaches were behaving like fans sitting behind the bench, and since nobody was technically in charge of the bench, it made managing the game tough, especially when people started fouling out early because they were kept in the game. Eventually, the coach of the other team and some players started saying that the coaches were being derogotory to some of the opposing players. Eventually the head coach from the stands got so frustrated at one of his players that he walked onto the bench and picked up a chair, so I dumped him right there, and we got done. It was the first time I've ever considered clearing the gym. I will never, never again work a game with no active coach on the bench with youths playing, and from a liability standpoint, I think I was crazy to do it to begin with.

I was there and he needed to be ejected. He was called for one T and then he got the second one about 2 minutes or so later. He was loud and out of control. So it was warrented.

You were at Coast 2 Coast?? So was I, which one were you?

I was in session 1, the younger of the guys from the Bay Area.

I was the young session 2 guy that was at the session 1 dinner and meeting the first day.

Edit: Were you the guy who officiates like 5 sports?

[Edited by ref18 on Jul 29th, 2005 at 11:47 PM]

...hmmm ... Anyone got any guesses?

Steve Oakes of Houston Texas assigns those tournaments, as well as any other Vision Sports Tournament. Its a pleasure to work for them. Alot of guys from Houston make the trip to work for Steve and Alan.

Agreed, I worked for Steve this weekend at the Vision Sports tourney, it was fun.

BTW: Ref18, I officiate only basketball, so I'm not the guy you think. I also coach baseball if it helps, and I was the serious card player if you were at the casino at all (I was one of the guys with lots of free wine). Were you there with your father?

I lived in Las Vegas and went back to work with Steve in a tournament since I moved.

The local guys only get two locations (4 courts) during the Big Time tournament. The others are handled by various camps. There is another tournament that uses city facilities primarily and that is assigned mostly by a guy with a local officiating business. A lot of the local guys that belong to the high school association do not work for him. Steve Oakes does not assign games for all of the tournaments in Vegas because all of them aren't Vision Sports tournaments. He doesn't even assign all of the games for the Vision Sports tournaments because they are too big and he doesn't have enough guys.

For anyone who scoffs at rec ball I have this question: What level are you at and what level to you want to be at? This "rec ball" is at a high level. Unlike the Nike camp in Indianapolis, these players come with teams and they want to win games. Add in the fact that there are teams with multiple college-bound players and you get great competition. Isn't it funny that people criticize these games as "rec ball" but the SEC and NBA think enough of them to use them for training?

[Edited by tomegun on Jul 31st, 2005 at 01:07 PM]

Mr. Grammar Guy is unable to respond to this b/c he went into shock and is unconscious at the moment! :eek:

I've got a name to the face now, and yes, my dad was also there.

Are you the official who stayed at USA Hotel in Vegas?

If so, what is the name of those shoes you wore while doing games for Vision Sports?

The head coach was given a quick individual single conference before game that he had 2 full's, 1 thirty , all players need to be properly dressed before subbing and a coaches box from beginning bench to his teams’ end of bench ( good sportsmanship was not mention). During game coach strolled out of his restricted coaches box on to court, in front of scorers table, then later went beyond end line and towards basket including being on the court. A technical was given to head coach. Head coach was told he has lost his coaching box privileges and had to remain seated. Again was told repeatedly to have a sit down during live ball. Coach ignores all requests. He then proceeds to stand and coach on the court beyond his box close to end line. A second technical was given to the head coach.

An official watching one of the games at AAU nationals last week told about two moms who got into a fist fight at one of the Vegas tournaments this summer. He said the fans were jawing at each other throughout the game. After the game ended, as the stands cleared, the moms squared off at one end of the court. He said it was pretty nutty.

Any of you get to enjoy that game?

Any of you get to enjoy that fight?

Which one? There were at least 4 basketball tournaments in Vegas; Reebok Big Time, Adidas Super 64, Nike Main Event, Youth National Championships and ARC National Championships.

Rename the thread?
 

Can someone rename the thread to be:

Coach ejected at Adidas tourney in LV? ;)

[font size = -1](For those that don't know, Adidas is purchasing Reebok for 3.something billion.)[/font]

[Edited by JugglingReferee on Aug 3rd, 2005 at 10:08 PM]

My work and personal schedule has not allowed me to work much off-season basketball. This is the second season in a row that Steve has asked me to make the trek to Vegas and been unable to do so. I sure hope I can pull it off next summer.

I have worked the kingwood classic the past two years at the main tournament site, occasionaly even the main gym. THIS IS NOT your typical rec ball... I imagine some of these teams could give some DII and DIII college teams a run for there money.

Thanks for the details, Johnny.

NYC club coaches are used to not being seat-belted no matter what they say or do, so it's nice to see the coach get a good lesson on proper behavior.

The refs in NYC area summer tournaments are usually hired by the tournament sponsor, which is usually a club team, so they tend to give the coaches a lot of leeway. Everyone thinks they're Billy Martin talking to an umpire.

Re: Rename the thread?
 

So next year they will probably have to call their tournament the Adidas Super Big Time 64.