what to do?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by truerookie
Cowboyfan1, I am going to say one word. LIABILITY. I am going to call the game like it should be called Summer or not.

Liability for what? How could you be held liable for a loosely-called game? Are you worried about being sued b/c you didn't call enough fouls? I honestly don't understand your concern here.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by cowbyfan1
With the girls you generally will have a quicker whistle, especially on possible jump ball situations.

I'm sure this varies from area to area, but that seems like a pretty gross overgeneralization to me. If two girls teams are evenly matched, then I don't see why you'd have a quicker whistle than in a game with evenly matched boys teams. See the contact, judge if there's an advantage, then blow the whistle. It's the same in boys or girls, isn't it?

The girls overall seem to get more physical than the boys do.

This is just wrong around here. If anything, the girls are less willing to mix it up.

Girls get emotional faster and thus things get more physical faster.

Girls are less concerned with proving how tough they are and almost never get in another player's face, thus tensions don't escalate as fast.

That's my experience anyway.

[TPS2859]

Chuck,
Worked the Nationals last year for A.Y.B.T. all ages, the most liability that came my way was that if I did'nt call it like a regular season game, I was liable to get put to the dirt with not only coaches but parents as well. And yes, it happened to me in two different games! Again, parents who THINK they know the rules and THINK they are a coach.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by cowbyfan1

With the girls you generally will have a quicker whistle, especially on possible jump ball situations. The girls overall seem to get more physical than the boys do. It is much less likely that if you let boys just play, they will not go nuts. Girls get emotional faster and thus things get more physical faster. I'm sure other people can point out other things as well.

Girl's games have more held ball situations because too many officials, working those games, call unnecessary held balls, and allow players to come across arms or hug from behind, while the players are standing, to tie it up instead of calling a foul.

The girls are not more physical, there is just more contact because the game is played horizontally.

Girls do not get more physical faster. Boys react immediately and then it's usually over. A girl "wronged" in the first quarter will look to get "even" in the third quarter.

[canuckrefguy]

Boys are rough.

Girls are mean.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by blindzebra
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Boys react immediately and then it's usually over. A girl "wronged" in the first quarter will look to get "even" in the third quarter. [/B][/QUOTE]Sounds like a good description of "marriage".

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Liability for what? How could you be held liable for a loosely-called game? Are you worried about being sued b/c you didn't call enough fouls? I honestly don't understand your concern here.

Chuck - that's exactly what he means. In this litigious society, you can be sued by anyone for anything. Whether they prevail is another question. The following is from the NASO website:
http://www.naso.org/rprt3.htm

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by M&M Guy
Are you worried about being sued b/c you didn't call enough fouls?

Chuck - that's exactly what he means. In this litigious society, you can be sued by anyone for anything.[/url]
[/B][/QUOTE]JMO, but I think that's a pretty silly thing to worry about. Me being sued b/c I didn't call enough fouls for somebody's liking would be like a fan suing a MLB player for striking out with the bases loaded. Could somebody file a suit for that? Sure. Is there any real liability there in a legal sense? Of course not.

I'm going to call a Summer game just like any other game, for the most part; but not b/c I'm worried about my liability. It's b/c I don't want bad habits to creep into my game over the Summer.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
JMO, but I think that's a pretty silly thing to worry about. Me being sued b/c I didn't call enough fouls for somebody's liking would be like a fan suing a MLB player for striking out with the bases loaded. Could somebody file a suit for that? Sure. Is there any real liability there in a legal sense? Of course not.

Chuck -- Regardless of whether you would WIN a lawsuit, if one is filed, you've got expense in both time and money. If you want to recoup that loss, you have to counter-sue. Some courts will process the countersuit at the same time as the original one, some won't. The fact of the matter is that if you call a game loosely, and someone gets hurt (I know it doesn't happen very often and it's not the refs' fault!) and the parents sue, you'll be jumping through the hoops no matter how far out of line the parents are. That's where the liability issue lies. I know it doesn't happen much, but I'm carrying liability insurance so that if this comes up, it's not my pocket and it's not my legal loss or win. Seems like a small price to pay.

[cowbyfan1]

anyways. I think based off the general overview of people here and what I learned from the court backing off was the wrong thing to do.

It appears the definition of being "physical" is a bit different here. Girls will get more physical by reaching for the ball more, diving at it more and, like it was said above, they hold the grudge longer but still trying to retailiate in the 3rd quarter over a first half thing. Boys will get "up in the grill" but after a couple minutes they mostly go on and play. You will see a few dive and reach for the ball but there are many more girls that do. Just look at the knees of the player on both games. Way more girls wear knee pads than boys and they use them.