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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 03:17am
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 04:21am
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 06:47am
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Where is Goose? I hope he doesn't think people were trying to gang up on him. It wasn't my intention.
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 11:31am
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RefTN-

Slow your roll, playa!

While I understand your point, and while I can understand your perspective (I, too, am a relatively young one at 24), your post smacks of a bit of condescension.

I have always been of the opinion that there are dues to be paid, especially in this business. A lot of the recruitment in officiating is done on the basis of potential. Being part of a good system, having great mentors, etc. only builds potential. Potential is not a replacement for experience. I have a tremendous amount of confidence in my abilities as an official. I also understand that I can't have it all at once, nor should I, no matter how good I think I am. There are a certain amount of dues that must be paid before premotion up the ladder.

I approach it this way: I officiate varsity HS ball right now, and I would like to move up to officiating college in the near future. In order for that to happen, I need to make sure that I am the best HS official I can be. Once that happens, the transition to college will be much easier. I have seen an official or two that have gotten their shot a bit too early, and weren't able to live up to their potential. I don't want that to be me.

Are there exceptions, of course, there are always exceptions. Zach Zarba is a good example of that. There are also countless number of officials whose names are unknown to us, mostly because they had all the potential in the world, but not the experience to know how to use it.

I would also urge everyone to get as much exposure to as many officiating philosophies as possible. While the SEC may be the fast track today, it could be the road to nowhere in a few years. You just never know. Look at the ACC, now that Cloughterty is in charge, there are going to be some major changes coming in that conference. There are going to be some guys who won't be able to adjust, and those guys are going to be in trouble. I guess all I'm saying is, don't put all those eggs in one basket. From what I've seen, this business is far too fickle for that.

RefTN-

If the things you have been doing, and the people you have been meeting are working well for you, and helping you acheive your goals, congratulations! All I'm saying is be careful what you wish for, and definitely be careful about the mannner in which you share those wishes with others.
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 11:47am
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Drothamel is totally right about putting all your eggs in one basket. I was given the same advice and I'm following it. The ACC alliance is a good example. A lot of people were/are nervous about it and for good reason. All it takes is the right/wrong memo from the right person and any situation could change.
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 03:33pm
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I agree with everybody that has written in so far. I wish I wouldn't have went on a rant like that but I had the similar problem with an old guy the other day and it kind of hit me in the heart.

Jurassic in three years I would have to say that in games total I have done near 600 games and about 35% at the high school varsity level. I know your going to rip into me so go ahead and let us get it over with. I love criticism.

I do apologize to everyone again. I, unlike alot of people on here, have not recieved perspective or priorities yet. All I want to do on this earth is referee basketball at the highest level imaginable, and nothing else. I don't have a wife or another job, etc. to have to prioritize with reffing. That is all I do. I feel that every day I don't ref it is a day wasted.

And don't get me wrong I don't want to move on too fast. I want to pay my dues like everyone else. When I do low level games people ask me what I am doing there and I reply "I am just paying my dues"

Mr. McCain

Your story is also head on. The thing that I do have that I think you don't think I have is an older mentor. I love this man with no doubt in my mind. Also like you said though I do put all my eggs in one basket, but that is how much I believe in the development program I am in, and how much I believe in my mentor. If nothing happens for me because I put all my eggs in one basket then so be it and shame on me for being so niaive(i'm pretty sure i didn't spell that right.)
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 05:20pm
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Jurassic in three years I would have to say that in games total I have done near 600 games and about 35% at the high school varsity level.

So...... refTN- you're 19 years old; you've already refereed for 3 years - which means you started around the age of 16- and you've already done about .35x600=210 regular season high school varsity games. You truly are a wunderkind. 70 games/year is a fairly heavy varsity schedule- for sure.

In Tennessee, do you have to write and pass the NFHS test(s)- either part 1 or 2- to officiate high school leagues? If so, what marks did you get on those tests the last 3 years? If not, does Tennessee require officials to write any formal tests to qualify someone to officiate high school varsity basketball?
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 06:03pm
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Jurassic in three years I would have to say that in games total I have done near 600 games and about 35% at the high school varsity level.

So...... refTN- you're 19 years old; you've already refereed for 3 years - which means you started around the age of 16- and you've already done about .35x600=210 regular season high school varsity games. You truly are a wunderkind. 70 games/year is a fairly heavy varsity schedule- for sure.

In Tennessee, do you have to write and pass the NFHS test(s)- either part 1 or 2- to officiate high school leagues? If so, what marks did you get on those tests the last 3 years? If not, does Tennessee require officials to write any formal tests to qualify someone to officiate high school varsity basketball?
Don't most states require an official to be 18 and already a graduate to work high school games?

So it would seem he did those 210 games in one season.
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 06:10pm
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Jurassic in three years I would have to say that in games total I have done near 600 games and about 35% at the high school varsity level.

RefTN, I find that now I'm curious too. I've known a couple of officials who began officiating college level games before they ever worked a high school varsity game. Is this the path that you have taken as well? If so, should I infer that the remainder of your 390 games have been at the college level?
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 06:11pm
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Our state allows officials to officiate games at the age of 17. There is even talk of a mentoring program where kids in HS will be able to officiate while still in HS. These officials will not be allowed to work HS Varsity games though. This is still up for approval.

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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 06:11pm
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Jurassic you misunderstood me. I am counting all the games I have ever done. Camps I got hired for, AAU, rec ball. These games count as experience don't they?

The officials test I had to take to get in the assosciation I made an 88 on.
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 06:26pm
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Jurassic you misunderstood me. I am counting all the games I have ever done. Camps I got hired for, AAU, rec ball. These games count as experience don't they?

The officials test I had to take to get in the assosciation I made an 88 on.
FYI, when you say high school varsity most officials think HS regular season and post season tournaments, not summer stuff with high school aged players.
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 07:33pm
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Jurassic you misunderstood me. I am counting all the games I have ever done. Camps I got hired for, AAU, rec ball. These games count as experience don't they?

The officials test I had to take to get in the assosciation I made an 88 on.
Back to my original questions, refTN.....

How many regular season or playoff high school varsity games have you officiated?

How many regular season or pre-season exhibition college games- at any level- have you officiated?

Have you ever formally written the NFHS Pt. 1 or 2 exams, the IAABO exam, a certified state exam, or a university level NCAA exam?

You are a certified, dues-paid-up TSSAA official, right?

Just wondering.

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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 07:45pm
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Jurassic in three years I would have to say that in games total I have done near 600 games and about 35% at the high school varsity level.

So...... refTN- you're 19 years old; you've already refereed for 3 years - which means you started around the age of 16- and you've already done about .35x600=210 regular season high school varsity games. You truly are a wunderkind. 70 games/year is a fairly heavy varsity schedule- for sure.

In Tennessee, do you have to write and pass the NFHS test(s)- either part 1 or 2- to officiate high school leagues? If so, what marks did you get on those tests the last 3 years? If not, does Tennessee require officials to write any formal tests to qualify someone to officiate high school varsity basketball?
Don't most states require an official to be 18 and already a graduate to work high school games?

So it would seem he did those 210 games in one season.
He would have to have done that. Tennessee requires their high school certified officials to be at least 18 years of age and also be a high school graduate.

http://www.tssaa.org/Handbook/officials.pdf
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Old Wed Jul 20, 2005, 07:49pm
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I have done about 65 middle school REGULAR SEASON games, and no varsity high school REGULAR SEASON games to answer your question.

[Edited by refTN on Jul 20th, 2005 at 08:51 PM]
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