Huh :confused: ?? [/B][/QUOTE]

The conversation was about BI. Canuk said: "is it not just flat-out illegal to grab the "goal" (which includes rim, mesh and the flange) while the ball is in the cylinder?"

I was directly responding to the question of BI. The answer is not. It's not flat out illegal to grab the goal.

A T is a seperate issue and has no dependancy on the location of the ball and is not an automatic call simply based on grabbing the rim.

So........how long have you been working for Acme Sports Equipment? :D

Correct....again, my bad....I'm also curious about whether the T could/should have been called instead on this play.

As i read the play, both the BI and the T should have been called.

The conversation was about BI. Canuk said: "is it not just flat-out illegal to grab the "goal" (which includes rim, mesh and the flange) while the ball is in the cylinder?"

I was directly responding to the question of BI. The answer is not. It's not flat out illegal to grab the goal.

A T is a seperate issue and has no dependancy on the location of the ball and is not an automatic call simply based on grabbing the rim. [/B][/QUOTE]

Camron -- The original answer that you gave to the question was that "it's not illegal to grab the goal while the ball is in the cylinder." This is simply not true. To make the statement true, you should have said either, "It's not BI to grab the goal while the ball is in the cylinder" or "It's always illegal to grab the goal regardless of where the ball is." To say it's not illegal to grab the goal while the ball is in the cylinder is misleading.

Camron -- The original answer that you gave to the question was that "it's not illegal to grab the goal while the ball is in the cylinder." This is simply not true. To make the statement true, you should have said either, "It's not BI to grab the goal while the ball is in the cylinder" or "It's always illegal to grab the goal regardless of where the ball is." To say it's not illegal to grab the goal while the ball is in the cylinder is misleading. [/B][/QUOTE]

You are correct...but you should also, by the same argument, not say "It's always illegal to grab the goal regardless of where the ball is." It IS sometimes legal to grab the goal for safety (it may be BI in some cases).

Given that the context was clearly a discussion of BI, the statement is valid...in context. Out of context, it is incorrect.

Bob,

Recall that the BI won the game for Team B, and the T would have been inconsequential. Common sense tells me to call the BI and get the he!! off the floor as soon as you can, since you're probably going to have one pissed off coach coming at ya. In theory, the T could be called, but would they be shot? I tend to think not since the FTs would have no bearing on the end of the game. IMO, if the FTs aren't going to be shot, why go through the trouble of calling the T? BI wins the game, game over. Get in, Get out, Get done.

Around here, a stanchion is what is in the cow barn holding each animal in its own stall.

Except that you penalize infractions in the order in which they occur. . .

Chuck, are you suggesting what I think you're suggesting?

Team A down 1 point, B1 grasps the rim, causing it to shake, and causing BI . . .

Any team A player shoots FT's.
If neither is good, award 2 points for BI - team A wins by 1.
If one shot is good, award 2 points for BI - team A wins by 2.
If both shots are good, then what do you do? I would assume, by your read, you award 2 points for the BI - team A wins by 3.

I have to disagree with this for two reasons. First of all, 8-7 states that the penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which the fouls occurred.

More importantly, 5-6-3 (Exception) states that free throws at the end of a game are not attempted unless they would affect the outcome. The BI automatically puts team A up by 1, so the free throws can have no effect on the game.

Nope. :) Just stirring the pot so that someone will point out that:

Thanks for not making me look up the citation. ;)

You no-good, sneaky, rotten squirrel! :p