Legal Backcourt Violation: who calls it??

[David Clausi]

Hi everyone,

Our board had an interesting chat about the
following situation.

A1 is inbounding the ball (let's say from under their own basket, for visualization sake). The inbound pass is to A2, who is running towards the half court line. A2 jumps and catches the ball in midair and then lands with one foot in the front court
and then (disinctly) the other foot lands in the backcourt.

Now by the Federation case book (don't have the number with me, but I am certain this is the case), this is a legal play. However, probably based on older Federation rules, it looks like a violation.

Do you follow the rule in this case, or follow what seems fair ie. that the player had front court status followed by backcourt status?

Cheers,
David

[ken roberts]

Um, follow the rule (Rule 9-9 Exception 1 and Case 9.9D).

Why would penalize a legal play???

[Richard Kreimer]

As funny or weird as it looks, that is a very legal play. Like Ken said, why would you penalize it?

[mick]

Now by the Federation case book (don't have the number with me, but I am certain this is the case), this is a legal play. However, probably based on older Federation rules, it looks like a violation.

Do you follow the rule in this case, or follow what seems fair ie. that the player had front court status followed by backcourt status?

Cheers,
David[/quote]

NF allowed that rule for Offense a year after they allowed the Defense to do it.
mick

[Don Shannon]

David,
Rule Book page 78, Basketball Rules and Fundamentals, No.2
"Neither a team nor any player is ever in control during a dead ball, jump ball, throw-in, or when the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.
Great reading year after year".


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Don

[GaryFried]

This is too easy! 9-9 exception 1 (and 2 for a great defensive play) basically state that a player who catches a throw-in while airborne has a right to land with both feet prior establishing themself on the court. Thus with the first foot landing in the frontcourt does not mean anything as the other foot has not landed. Now the second foot lands in the backcourt - no violation.

If a player has a foot completely touching frontcourt and the other airborne then catches the ball then puts the airborne foot in the backcourt, this is a b/c violation. The difference between the two (and what the exception allows) is one is totally airborne and the other is not.

How about making this tougher? Let's say the airborne player who jumped from the frontcourt catches the ball and passes the ball to a teammate in the backcourt. What's the call? Is college and high school rules the same?

[Kathy Brady]

Without the NF book in hand, I'll venture an educated guess that the airborne player never establishes front/back-court position, so this sounds fine. Backcourt status is clearly established by second player, so start the 10-second count and play on. May just have to run down for the glove box rule book to dissect the wording of 9-9 exceptions section...

[b_silliman]

When catching the ball in the air he established himself in front court.

If he lands then the exceptions to the rule apply.

However, if he passes to a teammate in the backcourt he has just violated.

[Richard Kreimer]

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Originally posted by David Clausi on 12-16-1999 12:48 PM
Hi everyone,

Our board had an interesting chat about the
following situation.

A1 is inbounding the ball (let's say from under their own basket, for visualization sake). The inbound pass is to A2, who is running towards the half court line. A2 jumps and catches the ball in midair and then lands with one foot in the front court
and then (disinctly) the other foot lands in the backcourt.

Now by the Federation case book (don't have the number with me, but I am certain this is the case), this is a legal play. However, probably based on older Federation rules, it looks like a violation.

Do you follow the rule in this case, or follow what seems fair ie. that the player had front court status followed by backcourt status?

Cheers,
David

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Look at Federation Case Book Page 61, case 9.9A, this is your play and it is aviolation. It is the only exception to the throw in rule.

[Alaska Ref]

Richard,
you stated that in the case book on page 61 rule 9-9A is David's Play and a violation! That play is "Different" from that what David posed! Case book says "catches ball with one foot on the floor, then steps into backcourt". David's play says while in "Mid air catches the ball then lands first with one foot in front court and then second foot into backcourt. I belive that in David's play you have to establish front court status, and that would require "both feet and the ball" so its a "legal Play"!

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Don

[Dennis Flannery]

The answer to this post can be found in the comic book rule book.(simplified & illustrated) It can be found on page 67. The reason I know where to find it, was I had a coach tell me that I missed a backcourt call for the same thing the other day. SO at halftime I had to find it for him, and show it to him. Of cousre we all know what the coach said next. " Well I had it called agaisnt me the other night, so who is right and who is wrong." I love that.

[Richard Kreimer]

To Alaska and Dennis, you guys are correct. I had the other call then other night, and it was a walk, so I did not distinguish when the play came up on the board, "mea culpa"

Thanks for the heads up. Lucky it happened here and not on the court. :-S