The jinx will be destroyed tonight as the Pistons win Game 5!

Hey, I'm the guy that starts the Finals threads around here!

What jinx are we talking about?

Well, since it can't be the officials doing, it has to be a jinx that has the Pistons unable to win with Garrettson on the floor.

Nice to see a closer game. Maybe a little intensity will show up in the second half of this one. At least the Spurs came to play tonight.

Chuck, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same crew that worked Game 1? I don't think I've ever seen the NBA do that before.

Has there ever been a more clutch player than Horry, ever?

Detroit has no excuses, Hamilton committed two fouls and traveled on their last shot.

LOL Well doesn't look like it......damn officials.

Sure seemed to be a lot of blocks called, in a series where there have been a lot of offensive charges.

I really thought Horry had established his position on that block that was called when Billips drove the lane in the second half.

The thing about Horry, unlike John Sally who has also won multilple championships with multiple teams, is Horry has been such a key factor in all his teams winning. Why Rasheed left him on that last play is the question of the day?

How about Rasheed requesting that time out at the end of regulation, good thing the clock had expired.

I looked at the Billups-Horry play several times. Originally, Horry's foot is on the arc but he shuffles the foot and is completely out of the arc when the contact occurs. A charge in my opinion as well, but it's not my call. :)

Wallace is taking a lot of heat this morning for leaving Horry, the player who has hit more threes than any other player in Finals history.

From the replay I saw, it looked like he might have had his feet on the circle, but it was hard to tell. I also thought that was going to be called offensive.

When that play started I didn't understand why Rasheed was so far away from him at the start. Horry has made 49 (Finals record by 7 or so) 3-pointers in the finals, and it seems like all of them are game winning shots.
They did comment about Webber being in the building. Almost another moment in Finals infamy.

When contact occurred, his feet were not on or in the circle.

I think that NBA Officials must get pressured to make calls that are "Fan-Friendly". To me, it takes away from The Game. I can't believe that Hamilton's two Player Control Fouls were not seen. Granted, it's bitter for a Fan to end a game on a PCF but if you are really calling the game....what are you going to do? Hamilton committed the fouls and very overtly. Had Hamiliton's shot fallen, I think the Spurs would have been cheated beyond description on some great defense.

It looked to me like he called it (verbally) before the buzzer, then after signaled it. I don't know, I think it would have been funny (I don't care for Rasheed).

Funniest thing about this was the look Hamilton gave after the shot like "What, no foul?" :confused:

If the refs had blown the whistle there, and called a foul on San Antonio, the NBA would have never heard the end of it.

I don't know how to do the originall posted by thing so I will just cut and paste what BktBallRef said:

when contact occured, his feet were not on or in the circle.

I think the real quesiton is were where his feet when Billips left the ground? From what I can see his heel may still be touching the circle when Billips jumps but it is hard to tell. The other thing I notice is that when Billips leaves the ground Horry's legs are very wide well past shoulder width apart. To me that is not LGP. I agree when contact occurs he has moved his foot under himself but that is too late.

So with 20/20 hindsight I think it is a block on two counts. The circle and the too wide stance. Having said that I could easily see it being called a charge given that he took it in the chest. I very difficult call but one I think that they got right. Also given that so many were being called blocks.

JMHO.

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Legs too wide or not, I would still say someone has legal guarding position if they have established themselves in every other aspect.

The position of the legs (width of stance) is only relevant if the contact is on the leg.

Question, what's the NBA penalty for calling a timeout with out any? Chuck?