I'm counting it!!!

[mick]

I worked an elementary school tournament this week.
Strange, but I've done much stranger things. They requested a body.

My partner is a five year official.
The game is a championship. One of many levels that day... maybe 5th grade. No matter.
The score is 19-6 only seconds left in the quarter.

Trailing team had the ball just inside the arc.
The player stopped her dribble.
The horn sounds.
The player begins her shot a second later and, lo and behold, it went in the hole!

I (trail and umpire) politely (small movement) wave it off; partner (ref and lead) makes a big "Count It". As I walk toward her, she says to me, without even looking my way, "I'm counting that no matter what anyone says!"

Hey! I heard that. I even sorta understood it, but it was wrong.
I walk to position to start the fourth, as she goes to the table ... for something.

After I get the teams for the next quarter, I went to the endline, some fan says, "Hey, Ref! You know you were right, and she was wrong on that last shot."

I looked at my shoes. I ignored him, too.
Sometimes, you just have to get done and get out.
The better team won.

mick

[Mark Dexter]

End of game shot, where it wouldn't effect the outcome, and it was very close - might count it.

If everyone can tell it was clearly after the horn, you'd better have a damn good explaination!

[BktBallRef]

Sad day.

[Todd VandenAkker]

Mick,

Given the level of ball and, most likely, laid back nature of the game, how about telling her with a smile, "Tell you what: When you're the trail on a last second shot, you go ahead and count it when it shouldn't. But since this one's my call, no bucket." Her being the "R" is irrelevant, though if it happened in the LAST quarter, then let it stand. Just don't know if I coulda kept silent on that, but obviously it worked out fine in the end.

BTW, are you going to the Trainers' meeting this weekend? Probably not, if you were there last year like me. But, I'm presenting first thing Saturday morning, so if you're there, be sure to say "Hi."

[mick]

Originally posted by Todd VandenAkker
BTW, are you going to the Trainers' meeting this weekend? Probably not, if you were there last year like me. But, I'm presenting first thing Saturday morning, so if you're there, be sure to say "Hi."

No trip this weekend, Todd.
But, I'll catch U.P. with ya.
Good luck with that.
mick

[BktBallRef]

Good post Todd. That's a very polite way of standing U.P. for one's self!

[Brian Watson]

No offense, but making calls like that and she will be a 10, 15, and 20 year official working Elementary games.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Todd VandenAkker
Her being the "R" is irrelevant

Actually, it is very relevant. 2-5-3 grants the authority to determine a disputed basket to the Referee.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Actually, it is very relevant. 2-5-3 grants the authority to determine a disputed basket to the Referee.

Yeah, but somewhere else in 2 tells us that no
official may overturn the ruling of another official.
This was not "disputed", Mick made the call and was not
questioned by either team.

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Yeah, but somewhere else in 2 tells us that no
official may overturn the ruling of another official.
This was not "disputed", Mick made the call and was not
questioned by either team.

Dan,
Well, ... I made a signal. But, I didn't protest her call.
The basket stood.
I figgered she was ref (as Mark said), I figgered these were 10 year-olds, I figgered the quality of play of each team, and I knew the call was set in her mind. Heck, she said that!
(I know you have seen the fixed jaw of a determined woman.)
We didn't discuss it. I figgered I didn't want to go down that alley. I figgered only one of us should look silly.
mick

[dhodges007]

Originally posted by mick

Dan,
Well, ... I made a signal. But, I didn't protest her call.
The basket stood.
I figgered she was ref (as Mark said), I figgered these were 10 year-olds, I figgered the quality of play of each team, and I knew the call was set in her mind. Heck, she said that!
(I know you have seen the fixed jaw of a determined woman.)
We didn't discuss it. I figgered I didn't want to go down that alley. I figgered only one of us should look silly.
mick

I say... good figgering

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mick

Dan,
Well, ... I made a signal. But, I didn't protest her call.
The basket stood.
I figgered she was ref (as Mark said), I figgered these were 10 year-olds, I figgered the quality of play of each team, and I knew the call was set in her mind. Heck, she said that!
(I know you have seen the fixed jaw of a determined woman.)
We didn't discuss it. I figgered I didn't want to go down that alley. I figgered only one of us should look silly.
mick

Mick, I'm not saying that you did the wrong thing,
it sounds like you handled it perfectly. I'm just
questioning whether she had the right to overturn
your call.