Ball is tied up, team A gets ball on AP. Once A1 has ball for throw in, but before he/she inbounds the ball, A2 fouls B2. Team B gets the ball after violation (no bonus). Does the arrow switch? I don't believe it does, but I would like to be sure.

Switch the arrow. A should not benefit from their own foul. The throw in has ended with A's foul.

No, that's not true. lukealex is correct.

The arrow is not changed if either team fouls before the throw-in is complete. (6-3-5)

How can you switch the arrow when you haven't even had a throw-in yet? Leave the arrow with A and give the ball to B, you are not going to double whammy A here.

This got me thinking though, what if A steped over the line and then the throw in? I guess technically the throw in still hasen't been completed so they would just lose the ball and keep the arrow. Is this correct for this sitch?

On your question by NF rules a violation on an alternating position throw in you lose the arrow and the ball
stew in VA
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No. The rule states that the arrow is changed when the throw-in ends or when Team A violates.

Switch the arrow.

Violation = Loss of Arrow. Foul = Penalize the foul, arrow remains the same.

My mistake, confused the violation portion of the rule with a foul.

That makes sense now, your throw in ends as soonas you violate. However a foul can obviously occur before you end your throw.

IMO, I'd penalize the first... If it's simultaneous, then pick your first! ;)

I wasn't saying both happend in the sitch, but I would be more likely to say the violation occured first if they occured nearly simultanously

Why? :confused:

If you're unsure which occurred first, it would be better to err on the side of the violation, rather than give a player a foul that he shouldn't have received.

I agree, that if I'm unsure, then I'm going with the violation.

But if the foul is pretty obvious and at the same time as a violation, and the entire gym saw it, then I'm going with the foul rather than a minor foot over the line throw-in violation.

Why? If a player actually committed a foul, why shouldn't they be called for doing so? Why should we always penalize the team that committed the violation- no matter what? If I'm unsure about <b>anything</b>, I ain't gonna be blowing my whistle anyway(hopefully).

You guys are way too deep for me. I ain't good enough to call it that way every time. I just try to make what I think the right and proper call should be in each particular situation, without predetermining what it oughta be. I try to only blow my whistle when I know what I'm gonna call. I'm too dumb to do it any other way.