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BktBallRef Sun Jun 12, 2005 09:58pm

Missed the 1st half but the Spurs seem to be dominating.

I don't think I've ever seen a team whine so much when they're getting their butt kicked. Hamilton, screaming at Danny Crawford when it was obvious no foul occurred, deserved his T.

The Detroit offense is anemic, at best.

canuckrefguy Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:12pm

Boring, boring, boring.

Stopped watching mid-way through 2nd quarter.

I wish even more now that Miami and Phoenix had been able to advance.

Snake~eyes Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:52pm

Anyone know why Jack Nies put the ball down on the floor? I didn't really catch the whole thing, looked like he tried to hand it to Rasheed Wallace and he didn't take it, so Nies just put the ball on the floor next to him.

Anyone get a better look at it?

Dribble Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:24pm

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Originally posted by canuckrefguy
Boring, boring, boring.

Stopped watching mid-way through 2nd quarter.

I wish even more now that Miami and Phoenix had been able to advance.

I can see from a fan's perspective that this might be boring, but I love this series! I know defense doesn't bring in the $$$ to the league, but the last two games have been played perfectly by San Antonio. I've always said that good defense beats good offense and this year seems to prove it.

mick Mon Jun 13, 2005 05:47am

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Originally posted by Dribble
I've always said that good defense beats good offense and this year seems to prove it.
Dribble,
For this Finals series, it appears that good defense will also beat no offense.
mick


A team without an offense will often become offensive.


ChrisSportsFan Mon Jun 13, 2005 07:40am

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Anyone know why Jack Nies put the ball down on the floor? I didn't really catch the whole thing, looked like he tried to hand it to Rasheed Wallace and he didn't take it, so Nies just put the ball on the floor next to him.

Anyone get a better look at it?

He actually tossed it up to him once and Sheed never raised his hands to catch it so Jack ran after the ball and did it again. Sheed never attempted to catch it, just looked at him with that smirk so Jack put it on the floor and started a rather quick count. He was well within the rules to do it and without knowing what their conversation was, I'd have to say Sheed was just being an idiot. Sigh!

rainmaker Mon Jun 13, 2005 09:03am

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
He actually tossed it up to him once and Sheed never raised his hands to catch it so Jack ran after the ball and did it again. Sheed never attempted to catch it, just looked at him with that smirk so Jack put it on the floor and started a rather quick count. He was well within the rules to do it and without knowing what their conversation was, I'd have to say Sheed was just being an idiot. Sigh!
Going off on a tangent here, would anyone T for this in high school ball? In college?

Dan_ref Mon Jun 13, 2005 09:09am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
He actually tossed it up to him once and Sheed never raised his hands to catch it so Jack ran after the ball and did it again. Sheed never attempted to catch it, just looked at him with that smirk so Jack put it on the floor and started a rather quick count. He was well within the rules to do it and without knowing what their conversation was, I'd have to say Sheed was just being an idiot. Sigh!
Going off on a tangent here, would anyone T for this in high school ball? In college?

No T, but I wouldn't chase the ball down either. And I wouldn't bounce the ball to him a second time, I would plant it firmly in his stomach until he puts his hands on it. If he just lets it drop after that then whatever happens next is all on him.

BktBallRef Mon Jun 13, 2005 09:30am

Did anyone else see the simultaneous multiple technical fouls? :)

ChuckElias Mon Jun 13, 2005 09:33am

I honestly don't understand people who say this is boring basketball. The Pistons are having a hard time on offense, but offense is only half the game. These are the people who think a 1-0 baseball game is boring when the pitcher is throwing 7 innings of no-hit ball. Give me a break. Appreciate what is happening, instead of complaining about what isn't.

I love Rip Hamilton and Ben Wallace, and I'm sick that the Celtics gave up on Billups so quickly. I love Tim Duncan's game and the way he works with Ginobli. Do you see how they pass and cut? How they work the ball so that everybody touches it before the shot? That's how you're supposed to play basketball.

I'd much rather watch this than watch Shaq back a guy down 8 feet and then jam; or watch the Suns jack up 30 3-pointers a night.

JMO, but I think you're missing a very interesting series.

rainmaker Mon Jun 13, 2005 09:35am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
I honestly don't understand people who say this is boring...
I'd much rather watch this than watch Shaq back a guy down 8 feet and then jam; or watch the Suns jack up 30 3-pointers a night.

JMO, but I think you're missing a very interesting series.

Thanks for the review. I agree with you, and I'll watch the next game or two. Didn't know it would be this good.

ChrisSportsFan Mon Jun 13, 2005 09:42am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
He actually tossed it up to him once and Sheed never raised his hands to catch it so Jack ran after the ball and did it again. Sheed never attempted to catch it, just looked at him with that smirk so Jack put it on the floor and started a rather quick count. He was well within the rules to do it and without knowing what their conversation was, I'd have to say Sheed was just being an idiot. Sigh!
Going off on a tangent here, would anyone T for this in high school ball? In college?

Nope, just get the 5-second count going and definately don't chase the ball for him.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:00am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
I honestly don't understand people who say this is boring basketball. The Pistons are having a hard time on offense, but offense is only half the game. These are the people who think a 1-0 baseball game is boring when the pitcher is throwing 7 innings of no-hit ball. Give me a break. Appreciate what is happening, instead of complaining about what isn't.

I love Rip Hamilton and Ben Wallace, and I'm sick that the Celtics gave up on Billups so quickly. I love Tim Duncan's game and the way he works with Ginobli. Do you see how they pass and cut? How they work the ball so that everybody touches it before the shot? That's how you're supposed to play basketball.

I'd much rather watch this than watch Shaq back a guy down 8 feet and then jam; or watch the Suns jack up 30 3-pointers a night.

JMO, but I think you're missing a very interesting series.

Jmo but I find it not only boring but unwatchable. And I ain't the only one. Care to bet that the final tv ratings on this particular final series will turn out to be the lowest in years?

Appreciate what's happening? Sorry but I don't appreciate whining.

oc Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:02am

Did you notice the 3 second call on Duncan? It was exactly 3 seconds (according to the shot clock) and there was a shot about to be taken when the call was made.

Anybody wish to comment on whether on not they would have called that in high school ball?

And I agree with Chuck. I like the series.

BktBallRef Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:45am

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Originally posted by oc
Did you notice the 3 second call on Duncan? It was exactly 3 seconds (according to the shot clock) and there was a shot about to be taken when the call was made.
I saw the 3 second call. I didn't hear the official say it was on Duncan. Nor did he indicate that it was onm Duncan when I watched the reply. The fact that Duncan responded does not mean the call was on him.

Goose Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:45am

Hey, my one and only NBA comment, couldn't resist, although I must say that whatever Chuck is drinking, I'd like some if it will let me see the NBA in the same light! Frankly, I enjoy the Discovery Channel in HD far more than the NBA. BTW, has anyone seen the Spice Channel in HD?

Any-who, anyone read the story in USA Today about how both coaches and players are a little upset over all the hoopla in the pregames?

Seems the league wants to keep up the FAN-tastic motto, while both coaches and players want to mimic the octogon's motto of, "Let's get it on!!"

I simply found it interesting after the long winded discussion some us had on the merits of the NBA and their marketing strategy.

And to make matters worse, an NBA labor dispute is looming? Say it ain't so. With the average salary pegged at a mere 4 mil per year! Ya gotta love it! After all, it is FAN-tastic.

Ahh, maybe someone otta mention to the players these 3 little letters; N-H-L?

goose

JCrow Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:30am

I'm from Boston. After watching the Pitino Celtics try to press backcourts like Iverson and Snow and then watching his successor O'Brien install the most horrible style of basketball imaginable (offense & defense)....this series looks like artwork to me.

I love good NBA. I think that the League has evolved away from good basketball too far and Stern bears some responsibilty. The Pre-Game Shows & Laser Introductions are just horrible. Where is the respect for the actual competition? The drama? I grew up watching Russell and the Celts walk onto the court against other great Teams. It was like the start of a great battle. The drama was the game not the Intro. A good game doesn't need a Broadway Show for 1/2 hour before it begins.

The additional timeouts in NBA Games have taken "endurance" out of the contest. I simply can't watch regular season games due to the inordinate number of TO's. It's not even basketball.

It is sad but the foreign players are the carriers of the spirit of the sport that I grew up knowing.

Could someone tell Bill Walton that Ginobli is left-handed? If I hear him rant about his ability to finish with his left hand again...I'll lose it.

Walton is a great guy but he's not knowledgeable about the Rules. In the Oplypics he was ranting about the inexplictable travelling calls on American players. All the calls were on guys thriple-threatening off a "Rear" pivot foot. They all pick up their rear foot before releasing the ball for a dribble. The International officials were just calling it right.




ChrisSportsFan Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:42pm

I'm afraid that there will be more time outs in the future if they going to continue increasing their salaries. Gotta pay the bills somehow.

rockyroad Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:48pm

Anybody catch the oxymoronic side-show between Rasheed and Larry Brown?? 'Sheed gets mad and Brown gets between him and the official to "calm 'Sheed down"...then when Brown gets whacked and wants a piece of Crawford, there's 'Sheed the peacemaker staying between the two of them...I was ROFLMAO.

And I agree with the earlier post - can't stand watching Detroit when they're getting spanked like that - turn into the biggest bunch of cry-babies I have ever seen...Men's Rec. ball isn't that bad...

ChuckElias Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:52pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
I'm afraid that there will be more time outs in the future if they going to continue increasing their salaries. Gotta pay the bills somehow.
Right now there are 13 mandatory breaks in the action in every NBA game.
  • One mandatory TO charged to each team in each quarter, usually after the 6:00 mark and the 3:00 mark. That's 8 breaks.
  • One uncharged mandatory TO after the 9:00 mark in the second and fourth quarters. That's 2 more.
  • Three breaks at the end of a quarter.
But if you think about it, that's actually a whole lot better than baseball, which takes 18 mandatory breaks (one between each half-inning) along with breaks at each pitching change; and it's better than the NFL, which takes a full TO after every change of possession and after every score. I love the sequence that goes TD-PAT-commercial-kickoff-commercial.

I don't really think the TO's are all that bad for a pro sport on TV. If you want to get rid of commercial interruptions, tune in to Major League Soccer. Blech.

twref Mon Jun 13, 2005 01:12pm

Early yesterday afternoon ESPN Classic had the 1985 Game 4 between the Celtics (Bird, Ainge, Mchale, D Johnson and Parish) vs Lakers (Magic, Worthy, Jabbar, Cooper and Scott). Tied at 105 Celtics calmly took the rest of the time off the clock, Bird penetrated, kicked it out to Johnson who hit-thats right-a 16 foot jump shot. These guys pushed the ball, passed the ball, set good screens, rebounded and played really good defense. There was creativity without selfishness or stupidity. San Antonio plays this same game-why can't other teams play this way? I'm sure some of it has to do with the fact that seven of these guys are in the Hall of Fame-or are seven of these guys in the Hall of Fame because they played that way?

Also-only two officials. What was the first year of 3 man in the NBA?

Jurassic Referee Mon Jun 13, 2005 01:48pm

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Originally posted by Goose
BTW, has anyone seen the Spice Channel in HD?


You oughta see it in 3D.

Here comes Wendy Whoppers.......:eek:

Faaaaaantastic........

BktBallRef Mon Jun 13, 2005 02:28pm

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Originally posted by JCrow
The additional timeouts in NBA Games have taken "endurance" out of the contest. I simply can't watch regular season games due to the inordinate number of TO's. It's not even basketball.
There are less timeouts in an NBA game than there is in a college game. There are 8 TV timeouts in a college game, plus 4 fulls and 2 30s for each team. In the NBA, there's a timeout between quarters and each team gets 6 fulls and 2 20s. That's 20 timeouts over 40 minutes, compared to 18 timeouts over 48 minutes.

Now, who's taken the endurance out of basketball?

BktBallRef Mon Jun 13, 2005 02:29pm

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Originally posted by twref
Early yesterday afternoon ESPN Classic had the 1985 Game 4 between the Celtics (Bird, Ainge, Mchale, D Johnson and Parish) vs Lakers (Magic, Worthy, Jabbar, Cooper and Scott). Tied at 105 Celtics calmly took the rest of the time off the clock, Bird penetrated, kicked it out to Johnson who hit-thats right-a 16 foot jump shot. These guys pushed the ball, passed the ball, set good screens, rebounded and played really good defense. There was creativity without selfishness or stupidity. San Antonio plays this same game-why can't other teams play this way? I'm sure some of it has to do with the fact that seven of these guys are in the Hall of Fame-or are seven of these guys in the Hall of Fame because they played that way?

Also-only two officials. What was the first year of 3 man in the NBA?

Within a year or two of this game, they went to 3.

JugglingReferee Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:05pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by JCrow
The additional timeouts in NBA Games have taken "endurance" out of the contest. I simply can't watch regular season games due to the inordinate number of TO's. It's not even basketball.
There are less timeouts in an NBA game than there is in a college game. There are 8 TV timeouts in a college game, plus 4 fulls and 2 30s for each team. In the NBA, there's a timeout between quarters and each team gets 6 fulls and 2 20s. That's 20 timeouts over 40 minutes, compared to 18 timeouts over 48 minutes.

Now, who's taken the endurance out of basketball?

Awesome answer. Nothing gets by you, does it?


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