Less time on Shot clock, no closey guarded when dribbling. So why are the rules different, for high school boys and girls basketball in california.

[Edited by reggietheref on May 25th, 2005 at 11:05 AM]

In high school basketball, boys and girls play by the same rules.

In college basketball, money is involved and the folks in charge do what they think is necessary.

Why is everybody hung up on what's easier? What does it matter if it's easier or not? The same officials do not call men and women's basketball. It's a completely different group of officials. There's no need for it to be "easier."

It's just not that difficult. I officiate quite a bit of girls AAU ball. They play by Women's NCAA rules. I have yet to whistle a 10 second violation or a 5 second call while dribbling. It just ain't that hard.

BTW, welcome to the board. :)

[Edited by BktBallRef on May 24th, 2005 at 08:37 PM]

I think you need to be specific. The rules where I live are exactly the same for boy's and girl's basketball. The rules at the college level change. Now what you might have is a league or two that uses NCAA rules in some form. If that is the case the NCAA had decided to use some different rules and mechanics from an official's standpoint. The reason why is not something all of us are going to be able to answer here. There of course are many theories to why they are different, but the easiest explanation is the NCAA Committee has a Men's Rules Committee and a Women's Rules Committee. When you have two separate committees, you are going to have different points of view of what is important and what is not important.

Peace

In Iowa we have separate adaptations for girls and boys. I have no idea why we need them. The only adaptation that makes any sense is that we leave the bottom lane space open on free throws. Other than that, the adaptations are small and don't have any effect on 99% of the games.

Mostly. There are a few renegade states that have different rules for boys and girls. Maybe Reggie lives in one of those.

Nope, the rules are the same. There's only one set for HS. If he's playing som,ething different, then they're state modifications, not rules. :)

Not the Same
 

Careful guys when being so general with your answers. In NY, girls at all levels follow NCAA Women's rules. Boys follow Federation. Personally, seeing college is the next level, I don't understand why both boys and girls don't follow NCAA rules at the high school level.

Re: Not the Same
 

I don't understand why college players don't use NBA rules. :rolleyes:

This seems like a very debatable distinction. I think I'd get in a boatload of trouble if I didn't enforce some state modification, just b/c "it's not a rule". MA uses a different set of rules from FED. They're not FED rules, but they're still rules of the game in MA.

Does it matter? The bottom line if you are not comfortable with the rules do not do the game. You can control that part.

Um, didn't you just say <b>exactly</b> what Tony said?

Yep, he said exactly what Tony said, only different.

I think you are reading into what he said. I understood this as Tony simply saying the NF is the only sanctioned rules for HS. If a state wants to use NCAA or modifications, those are not following the NF rules. I do not think he is saying not to enforce the modifications. I could be wrong, but Tony can defend himself. Just giving my take on the situation we are discussing.

Peace

No, I didn't. Tony said that there is one set of rules for HS games. That's simply not true. NFHS has written one set of rules. But those are not the rules that we use in MA. We use most of those rules with some different ones. That makes a different set of rules. Calling them "state modifications" doesn't make them any less than rules. They are rules here. So while Tony states that there is only one set of rules for HS games, I know of at least 3; FED, MA boys, and MA girls.

I'm not getting my fishnets all bunched up about it. Just an observation.

Chuck,

This is a debate in semantics. If you feel that is what was referred to, then I guess you have that right to do so. That is not the way many of us took the words. There is only one set of approved rules for HS sports. States and jurisdictions choose to use other rules to apply to their sports if they choose to. That does not contradict what Tony said.

Peace

Re: Re: Not the Same
 

I don't understand why NBA players don't use driveway rules. Oh wait - they do.

California
 

Out west in Ca. we have different times for shot clock. We also have no closely guarded on girls when they are dribbling. We also use a 40 point mercy rule.

Maryland
 

Girls have a 30 second shot clock and no 10-second count in the backcourt.

Other than that modification, standard NFHS rules apply to both.

Before some of you start screaming for the moderator, please note this is a humorous quote from the movie "Kindergarden Cop".

Oh.

I thought it was a public service announcement.

Yea, most of us are way beyond that kind of humor. Me, for instance. I was trying to figure out how my browser switched over from an officials forum to a college biology class.

People actually quote Schwarzenegger comedies? If people start quoting Stallone in "Stop or my Mom will Shoot" I'm out of here.

People can actually spell the last name of the California governor?!?

Re: Not the Same
 

Using that logic, college players should use NBA and WNBA rules.

Answer me this. What percentage of HS players play college basketball?

I'm betting that's a good reason that we have HS rules.

Look Chuck, don't get your fishnets in a bunch. There's one set of HS rules, the NFHS rules. MA uses modifications to those rules. That's my story and I'm sticking it to you! :D

BTW, I bet the NFHS just loves Massachusetts. IS there any sport where they use NFHS rules without putting their own spin on things?

Re: Maryland
 

Thank you! An official who understands what his state is doing! :)

Re: Re: Not the Same
 

I think somebody might've made that same point about 7 hours ago. . . Not that I'm getting my fishnets in a bunch about it. :)

And it's a great story. You write great fiction. :p

Re: California
 

40 points???? Why bother? At that point, I have a hard time calling it 'mercy!'

I can't believe they deleted that post, it isn't false. That is just one of the MANY reasons boys basketball is different from girls basketball.

Not to hijack the thread, but even the colleges have adaptations or modifications of the NCAA rules (or least they did in the past). Example I give you would be the NAIA (in the past, when I was in college) allowing pre-game dunks even if the NCAA rulebook said it was illegal. It was kind of funny watching my alma mater dunking in pregames while a rival that was NCAAIII couldn't. There's also the adaptation at the JUCO level that the officials can wear the grey pinstripe shirts instead of the black and white striped shirts.

So the semantics if rules that are modified are modifications or adaptations or whatever are moot. They are rules in the jurisdiction in which they are used.