Actually, I heard two of them today.

1) Middle of second quarter, B1 commits an obvious foul, we put A1 on the line to shoot one-and-one. She hit the first, missed the second, B gets the rebound, as B is bringing the ball back the other way, coach is complaining about having only 3 team fouls. I ignore him, because I know I called at least 4 myself. He requests a TO, I grant it and he starts in about how we weren't paying attention and blah, blah, blah (his team was ahead by 15 at this point). I listen patiently for a minute, and then say, "Coach, I'm sorry, I don't understand the point of what you're trying to say." He says, "This is the second quarter. We only have 3 team fouls in the second quarter, so they shouldn't have shot those free throws." I still don't get his point, (remember I haven't been watching a lot of NBA!) and I say, "Coach you have 9 team fouls in the first half. The count doesn't start over until the second half." He looks at me blankly for about two seconds, and then says, "But we've only got 3 team fouls in this quarter." The light finally dawns, and I say, "Coach this is straight high school rules. Team foul count doesn't start over until the second half. This is your time out. Your girls need an explanation." After the time out, he looked at the other coach with his eyebrows up. That coach kindly and quietly said, "The rules are different from the NBA."

2) Near the end of the third quarter, the game is very close with lots of ties and lead changes. At this point, A is ahead by maybe 2 or 3, and they have the ball at their end of the floor. A1 drives down the sideline to the endline, turns sharply toward the basket and drives hard to get the lay-up. I didn't get a good look at the play, since I was trail, and I had my hands full with a couple of pairs of players posting up, and a defender who already had 4 fouls from chucking the cutter. I think the dribbler and the cutter-chucker were the only ones involved, and the contact was severe enough that they both ended up on the floor. I'm sure the defense didn't have LGP, but I don't know what the dribbler did that may have caused contact. Anyway, my partner no-called it, the ball squirted out of bounds, and P awarded the ball to the defense. As players were getting ready for the in-bounds, Coach A, who was right in my ear is howling about the no-call. He then says to me, "So was that all ball?" I turn and look at him. I'm thinking, "WHAT?!?!" He says, "I'm just asking, it's just a question. Was that all ball?" I said, "No, I think there was some contact." He says, "Okay, I'm just asking, that's all, I just wondered what happened." The kicker is, this guy is a state tournament level hs ref.

The first one is funny. The second one, I would have taken as him being a sarcastic pain in the a$$. I probably would have T'd him.

Coaches will be coaches. :)

I didn't want to give him the satisfaction.

You would have T'd him for that? :rolleyes:

Peace

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Juulie, many NBA coaches apparently move on to high school and grade school teams. I called a T one game, and the coach yelled at me, "Why is that a 2-shot technical?" I gave him my dumb look and said, "Is there another kind?"

Wow. Great job, especially on coach #1! It aint easy hanging in there with the dad-coach-wannabe's.

All coach #2 wanted was to confirm you saw what he saw to make sure one or both of you weren't crazy. The fact that he backed off when you admitted there was contact you passed on tells me he's a guy you could work with.

As for me...7 games over 2 days. Final score: 6 T's & 1 ejected coach on day 1.

No problems day 2, I guess these guys got the message.

Will someone explain to me why officials feel this way? IMO, I wouldn't have T'd this guy for what he did, but I have heard lots of officials say that they didn't want to give the coach the satisfaction of getting a T. I have never understood the line of thinking that they use. IMO, if a coach want a T, give it to him.

Change that to "if a coach earns a T, give it to him.

I agree, by not giving a T you hurt your crew and your colleagues who arae going to have that coach next week.



I'll give a coach a T if he wants one or if he earns it.

A coach's team is getting blown out and he wants to get tossed. Many officials think if we have to watch the rest of this mess so do they.

I can see their point.

Not a blow out, but a team is overmatched and out coached so some coaches will use a T to deflect his and his team's short comings.

Again I can see the point. I told a coach in this situation once, "Coach we have nothing to do with that score, so don't go there looking for an excuse."

The expert's opinion ;),

The easiest T to give is when they want it. Several quotes I've heard and responded to,

"Why don't you call something!!" WHACK

"Aren't you going to call a foul" WHACK

"Where's the foul" WHACK

"Call it both ways" WHACK followed by football style reporting (both to the bench side and the spectators side of the court)

And the final one,

"Why don't you just T me up then" WHACK

In all these situations there was previous stuff that led upto this, so I just didn't arbitrarily Whack the coaches.

If he's asking me for it, then I'm more than happy to oblidge.

And I don't care if he's getting any satisfaction from it, as the satisfaction I'm getting is far greater ;)

(just kidding with that last point, I'm not going out of my way to T up coaches, but if it happens, then it happens.)

:D

General Otis T Whackenator has spoken LOL!!! :D :cool:

(what a great 1600th post ;))

The rest of the game will be more enjoyable for me if I don't have to listen to the coach :D


If he deserves to be tossed he's getting tossed.

Juulie - as you know, whether or not a coach wants "satisfaction" by getting a T has no bearing on whether I call it or not. The determining factor is whether or not it will give me satisfaction.

As you also know, I am satisfied an awful lot. ;)

I can't explain why others feel this way. I don't always feel this way. But this guy thinks I'm a lousy ref, and he has felt free to say so even when we're partners. If I'd T'd him for that, it would have confirmed his opinion of me. Instead, I was able to back him down a little, and he had to respect my cool head. Frankly, I agreed with him about the play. I'd have called a foul from what I saw. But when I've been his partner in the past, he's sold me out to a coach. I wasn't going to do that to my partner. So I just made a neutral comment, and left. It felt great. Oh, and by the way, his team won in the end. So I didn't need to give the T to make the game better. In fact, now that I think about it, I think he should stick to coaching, and quit reffing entirely!

Yes. When you consider that the comments came from someone who is an official, it makes it easy to see that this guy was belittling an official he thinks that he is better than. This is truly disrespectful and there is no place for it.

Nevada, I do not agree with giving a T to a coach because he is an official. I'm not saying the coach shouldn't have got a T, it is just difficult to know the tone he used when asking the question. Rainmaker is happy with not giving a T so it seems like it all worked out.

A long time ago in a middle school gym there was an official playing in an adult league that used "speed" rules. The officials did not have to handle the ball on violations and some other situations. Also, the inbounder had all the way around the end line and side line up to the division line to inbound the ball. So, the opponent was called for a violation and they knocked the ball into the corner. The official, who was playing that night, asked the officials to give a delay of game warning since this hindered the start of a fast break. The officials ignored him. As it turned out during the next possession the officials team was called for 3-seconds. The official had the ball behind the three point arc when the call was made. Does the official/player give the ball to the officials? No, he proceeds to jack up a three during a dead ball which prevents the other team from taking the ball out. Whack! Technical foul, no warning. So after the game they said I uh I mean the official/player should have known better since I'm :D I mean he is an official. The official/player's response is "that doesn't matter tonight, I'm a player!"

This situation reminded me of that night. I still don't think I uh :) I mean the official/player should have got the T since they didn't do anything about the previous delay of game.

Good story. :)

But I'm not penalizing him for being an official. I'm penalizing him for being an arrogant jacka$$ who mocks and puts down an official. That lacks class imo.

That still does not sound like a good reason. To each his own I guess. That just makes you look like a "red ***" instead of an approachable official.

Peace

Adding to this list:

"Do you guys know what a foul is?!?!" WHACK
Had a coach scream this at the top of his lungs, team down by 32 in the fourth quarter. Didn't want to seem like I was piling on, but he begged for this one.

"Am I ever going to get a call?!?!" WHACK

You just got one coach. Now have a seat and play nice like the rest of the kids! :)

I let them abuse me
 

WOW. I took way too much grief from coaches last year. My final T count on coaches was 4, with one ejection. From these threads it seems I should have called more like 104. I did some adult rec ball this spring and I am getting better at T'ing up the people who want/earned it.
Coming into this I thought the Tee was the equivalent of a 20 year prison sentence. Now I am seeing some players/coaches can't control themselves until they have 1 T on themselves and then they behave appropriately.

I don't see a T in the original post. It sounds like he might have been a little sarcastic or maybe lost his head for a second and yelled. I also sounds like he caught himself and asked his question nicely. Should he know better as an official, probably. Should we work a game differently because the coach is an official? Definitely not. I don't see where a T here would make the game better. Sounds to me like the situation was handled well.

I don't know about anyone else here, but quite often I find myself being more critical and watching the refing more than the actual game when I am in the stands. This can be good and bad, It's good because you can learn alot from watching others mechanics and skillz. Bad because its the criticism that will get you into hot water.

I am going to hate myself in the morning for this, but:

Ref #1: "Stupid coach?"

Ref #2: "Is there anyother kind?"


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MTD, Sr.