Hi, I got into a arguement with someone about whether catching one's own airball is a foul. Can anyone give me an answer? And it'd be great if there is a written rule on line to prove it.. thanks!

Except in the NBA, legal.

It is never a FOUL. In the NBA it constitutes a traveling VIOLATION. In NCAA and high school play, there is nothing wrong with doing this. It is legal.

The NBA and NCAA rules are available online, but the NFHS rules are not unless you are a member of the NFHS, and then you can view the casebook.

Here is the NCAA clip, which you can find at: http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ball_rules.pdf

BR-89 RULE 4-63/DEFINITIONS
Section 66. Traveling
Art. 1. Traveling occurs when a player holding the ball moves a foot or both feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits described in this Rule.
A.R. 35. A1 attempts a try at Team A’s basket after having completed the dribble. The try does not touch the backboard, the ring or the flange or any other player. A1 runs and catches the ball before it strikes the playing court. Is this traveling? RULING: When A1 recovered his or her own try, A1 could either dribble, pass or try again. There is no team control by either team when a try is in flight. However, when the shot clock expires and a try by A1 or a teammate has not struck the ring or the flange, it shall be a violation of the shot-clock rule.

For NFHS (high school) refer to 4.43 Situation B on page 32 of the casebook. It says almost exactly the same thing as the college rule, and it specifically states, "Is this traveling? RULING: No."

Asking if this is a foul - that's a new one!

Does Tony still collect his five bucks?

I wonder if some members are really just fans pretending to be sports officials by seeking answers to their own questions. Maybe she/he is really a new official but it seems odd to me that a basketball official, new or vet would post that type of question.

What troubles me is the amount of bricks these people are hoisting up. What happened to fundamentals? If you can't shoot learn to pass. ;)

Rules of Emphasis!
 

i wish in our state rules meetings we officials and coaches have to attend every year, they would put this up on the overhead and leave it there the whole time!!! there are so many coaches that don't have a clue about a lot of the rules and this is one of the main ones...i've given out T's for coaches arguing and arguing over this rule...and the other night i had to toss an AAU coach over it in a critical point of the game...he wouldn't shut up and stormed out on the court and everything...and afterwards he came up and wanted to talk, i handed him my rule book and told him what rule to look up, and asked him to read it, then i would be glad to talk to him! Then he was fine and apologized and went home.... we didn't have to talk about anything!!! He asked where could he get one of those books...i had to really try not to just crack up!!!

Seriously, how can you teach somene something and not know the rules. That's like if parents didn't know the driving laws yet they were teaching their son/daughter how to drive. I cannot stand when a player/fan/coach attempts to tell me what the rule is when they are absolutely wrong.

Yes, under high school and college rules, you can shoot an airball and catch it.

NFHS 4.43 SITUATION B:
A1 attempts a try after ending the dribble. The try does not touch the backboard, the rim or any other player. A1 runs and is able to catch the ball before it strikes the floor. Is this traveling?

RULING: No. When A1 recovered his/her own try, A1 could either dribble, pass or try again. There was no team control after the ball was released on a try.

Maybe we can get the national television announcers to know the rules since that's where most of these yahoos learn them?

that is exactly right...those announcers start a lot of this foolish stuff!! seems like they would have to pass a rules test before they can talk about the game on national televisiion...hahaha

Sheesh Johnny boy...lighten up on the poor girl, (anyone having "nails" as part of their screen name has to be a girl) :)
She obviously meant "violation" instead of "foul"...just didn't know the correct terminology.
At least darknails is "seeking answers"...many fans or even new officials might be afraid to ask because they think they will show their ignorance...and comments like yours doesn't do anything to promote questions from rookies or otherwise on this forum IMO.

I had a partner ask me this year if they shot on player control fouls if the bonus was in effect. Of course, this is the same guy who brought up a wrong call I made a couple of games later. [The wrong call was not in the same game as the PC question, and a varsity official had already covered it with me.]

Lighten up for what? You do not appreciate positive criticism? It amazes me how a male person rushes to judgment for the sake of flirting to a female. My fault for not looking up her/his user-names’ bio to read whether it was written by a male or female but I do not post replies based on people’s gender nor was the content to make a fan feel more ignorant than what they actually are. Maybe more often, members should proof read their written postings before actually submitting it. How do you know what she/he was really thinking? I am here to share and learn from others by reading what is written and not what I assume was written. Let us assume it was your fault she/he mistakenly wrote the word “foul” when she/he meant to have written “violation”. I thought it was extremely hilarious to read her/his post and I made a sound judgment as to who I thought the person might have been. While other members were very polite with a simple reply, e.g. “Except in the NBA, legal”, to me it was funny. Again, it sure didn’t seem like it was written by a real rookie or veteran official. Yet, more officials do not fully read their rule books, case studies or illustration hand books. And a fan doesn’t read squat-dilly. Besides, a user-name of “darknails” may have meant the person was a male who is employed in the construction field. You remember that old, old saying when you assume…

Have a wonderful evening, sir nose.

Lighten up, Francis. :rolleyes:

Lighten up, Francis. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh thank you, Miss ChuckElias.

Hey whattaya know - FIBA agrees with NCAA/NFHS is also legal.

Had a funny one playing last week in a socail comp. Referee called a violation because I passed the ball to a team-mate off the backboard. Was doing a layup and intentionally "bricked" it so my trailing team-mate could show off. Wasn't an alley-oop, but the ref ruled in illegal. Any thoughts from anyone where they may have gotten this strange ruling from? Had me stumped! (and I almost picked up a T for complaining/questioning the call)

Somebody needs a nap, real bad. :)

I wonder if Bushref has re-incarnated again.

Hey Duane!!! Good to see you around! I have no idea why your play might be considered illegal. The official just thought it "looked funny", probably. Happens a lot, especially on traveling calls.

Hope you're doing well down there. Take it easy.

Oh and he's clever, too! Who ever would have thought to "accidentally" call me a female!! Wooo-hooo! That's funny, that is. Man, there's nothing like a good joke. . .

<font size = -4 color = yellow>And that was nothing like a good joke! </font>

He's obviously not your picture:

http://brandon.fuller.name/photos/20...--Squirrel.jpg

Uh, oh, here we go again...

:D

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...564KHyGcLjzNj#

[Edited by M&M Guy on May 5th, 2005 at 02:09 PM]

Hmmmm... I feel sorry for your woman if you're hanging that low!

...and you laughed at this first time poster in a public forum, a person who had a legitimate question in his/her/it's mind.

Then you were silly enough to make some weak comments about noses and genders...

I stand by my opinion of taking it easy on people, with questions, that might not be as well versed in the rules as you.

Yes, I thought the question was funny. Dad, I was being silly with “sir nose”, which if you knew your Rock N' Roll history, was a term used in songs by Bootsy Collins and George Clinton. I think it is funny when others write off-the-wall type questions. I even laugh at myself for doing stupid acts or writing dumb things. What’s up, you can not find humor in a serious question? Is this forum only for serious thoughts? I did not know this forum was using old Soviet Union guidelines when posting replies. It was cool that another bb official nicely answered the original question with a short answer but doesn’t mean he/she did not laugh while typing the answer. In my opinion, the question was written dumb, funny, and with ignorance. It sure seemed to be written by a non-basketball official or possibly the post was from a serious sports fan. How the heck do you call a foul out of catching your own ball in flight? Maybe you imply it is a violation of some kind, but a foul? Now don’t go rescue the original question by adding… “Oh maybe another player smacked the shooter on the arm”. Respect my opinions and I shall respect yours, dude.

Oh by the way, have a nice day, dude.

Dude,..... did you just call him dude?

Dude! That dude totally just called the other dude "dude", Dude!

Ok, where's my car?

SWEET! :D

Nighty Night Johnny Boy! :)

I got your boy right here, dude. It is still trying to make the correct long distance call.

Hmmmm... I feel sorry for your woman if you're hanging that low! [/B][/QUOTE]

Maybe it's your woman you should be feeling sorry for. :D

Check for squirrel droppings in your bedroom! ;)

Maybe it's your woman you should be feeling sorry for. :D

Check for squirrel droppings in your bedroom! ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

nice come back... lets us get off of each other's woman... unless you do not have one... my condolences to you...

johnny1784

Hey Johnny Boy...are you up from your nap already?

BTW, let me guess...the 1784 behind your name is your birthday. 1-7-84.
Hmmmm, that would put you a just a few years out of High School...right?

Figures.

nice come back... lets us get off of each other's woman... unless you do not have one... my condolences to you... [/B][/QUOTE]

One?

LOL! He thinks I've only got one! :)

Sorry johnnyboy but if that's the best you've got, you're out of your league. ;)

nice come back... lets us get off of each other's woman... [/B][/QUOTE]

Dude, if you're so quick to step to him don't be so quick to step off. Makes you look like a...well you know.

nice come back... lets us get off of each other's woman... [/B][/QUOTE]

My first thought is yea because BktBallRef just got off yours....

Sry I couldn't resist. I will stay outta this now.