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tomegun Thu Apr 28, 2005 08:20pm

The clip is labeled "block or charge?" http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/

Try to make a decision after viewing it once (this is what we were originally told to do).

brainbrian Thu Apr 28, 2005 08:31pm

Page not foune error
 
Doo doo doo.

404 :(

Edit: I found the problem, your main HTML page links to the file

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/...cokcharge.mpeg

when it should really point to:

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/...ockcharge.mpeg

Notice the spelling of "block" ;) I make webpages myself and debugging is more than 50% of the work in computer programming. Now let me view the clip. ;)

My initial inclination was to go with a block. Then after watching it in slow motion I think I would stick with that ruling. I also noticed afterwards that's what the lead called as well. But man. that was pretty close, it could go either way. Just as long as you call something.

[Edited by brainbrian on Apr 28th, 2005 at 09:39 PM]

JRutledge Thu Apr 28, 2005 09:04pm

I have a charge or PC foul.

The defender did nothing but move laterally, which they can by rule when contact took place. I think this gets called a block many times, because we do not referee the defense or it would just be easy to call a block on this close call.

This is just my opinion. I think some will disagree.

Peace

brainbrian Thu Apr 28, 2005 09:34pm

Actually, after reading the rules on a legal guarding position, I might give them the charge. Rule 4-20, to obtain a legal guarding position

1. No minimum distance is required
2. Every player is entitled to a spot on the floor provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent.
3. The guard must have both feet touching the floor
4. The front of the guardÂ’s torso must be facing the opponent
5. No time distance is required to obtain an initial legal position

But I'll still stand behind my call that if this was a game I probably would have went with a block before.

Damian Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:18pm

Defense was never set
 
It looked like he never had a LGP. Block

BktBallRef Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:40pm

Still moving when the offensive player left his feet. Block.

Snake~eyes Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:21pm

Re: Defense was never set
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Damian
It looked like he never had a LGP. Block
Why do you say that?

canuckrefguy Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:19am

Block.

Defender adjusts his position after shooter leaves the floor.

Another toughie, though...


tomegun Fri Apr 29, 2005 04:08am

Re: Page not foune error
 
Quote:

Originally posted by brainbrian
Doo doo doo.

404 :(

Edit: I found the problem, your main HTML page links to the file

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/...cokcharge.mpeg

when it should really point to:

http://thomass2004.home.comcast.net/...ockcharge.mpeg

Notice the spelling of "block" ;) I make webpages myself and debugging is more than 50% of the work in computer programming. Now let me view the clip. ;)

My initial inclination was to go with a block. Then after watching it in slow motion I think I would stick with that ruling. I also noticed afterwards that's what the lead called as well. But man. that was pretty close, it could go either way. Just as long as you call something.

[Edited by brainbrian on Apr 28th, 2005 at 09:39 PM]

Thanks, fixed the page.

Back In The Saddle Fri Apr 29, 2005 04:26am

I'm going to have to agree with the L on this one.

mick Fri Apr 29, 2005 06:36am

Block.
 
Shooter trying to avoid.
Contact forced by defender.

bbref3103 Fri Apr 29, 2005 07:25am

Block all day long. Defender still moving -- caused the contact. Great call by the Lead.

ChrisSportsFan Fri Apr 29, 2005 07:37am

the view from behind which is close to the view the L had showed the D moved into where O jumped and did not beat him to the spot. do do do doot da doooo...BLOCK!

zebraman Fri Apr 29, 2005 08:48am

Very close one, but it looked to me like the defender moved to the side <i> after </i> the shooter was airborne. Block. Almost a coin flip call.

Z

M&M Guy Fri Apr 29, 2005 09:52am

I had a block as well. I saw the defender still moving laterally after the offensive player left his feet, and contact appeared to be more on the defender's left shoulder rather than direct in the torso. That combination of factors seemed to trigger my reaction that the defender was responsible for the contact.

These are good discussion videos; keep 'em coming!


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