I know we have had a thread like this before but this has to be on here!

I was working the AAU Super Regional in my area and this team was getting beat and this post player was beating up on these other girls underneath and still the parents thought of course that this girl that was beating up these other girls was getting fouled. So I end up calling a team control foul(because everbody i'm sure knows that in ncaa women's ball there is no such thing as a player control foul).

The parents in the stands go nuts and a lady just starts constantly blurting out

"That's alright you're going to have to answer to God for that, it's alright you're going to have to answer to him, not us"

Since I went table side to make the call I didn't get to hear it first hand, but later on my partner told me about it and I just started rolling.(I was in my vehicle after the game when he told me, because you know I always keep up my high level of professionalism)

"That's fine with me -- He knows the rules, and you don't!"

"God does not give a damn what goes on in athletics. Nor should he".

- Bob Knight

I have certainly heard some classic lines by coaches and fans directed toward officials, but what truly interests me is some of the classic one liners officials have directed to coaches. I would love to hear some of the zingers, and one-liners officials have spewed at a coach...I don't mean anything derogatory, just some funny anecdote that I may put in my bag, should I find myself in such a situation. Tell me what you think of this one...I was calling a girls' varsity game, and the coach, who buy the way is one of the better coaches in the city, gets upset with me for a calling an off ball foul on her post player for wrapping the defender with her off arm and pinning her. The coach replied that she was just banging just as the boys do. I calmly turned to her and said "Coach, that was a nongender-specific call." She just smiled wryly, and returned to the bench. I felt pretty good about how I handled the situation.

I feel pretty good about how you handled that situation too. Good job Matt!

It would have been great if your partner had told her that you were an atheist!

PS
Since rainmaker has already responded to that quote, I'll post this little bit of info from webster.com. Perhaps some will find it interesting.

Main Entry: al·right
Pronunciation: (")ol-'rIt, 'ol-"
Function: adverb or adjective
: ALL RIGHT
usage The one-word spelling alright appeared some 75 years after all right itself had reappeared from a 400-year-long absence. Since the early 20th century some critics have insisted alright is wrong, but it has its defenders and its users. It is less frequent than all right but remains in common use especially in journalistic and business publications. It is quite common in fictional dialogue, and is used occasionally in other writing <the first two years of medical school were alright -- Gertrude Stein>.


My HS English teacher refused to recognize the one-word spelling.

Girls Varsity Game. Call foul on defensive player from C opposite. Go to table to report the foul. Coach asks if I had a good look at it. I said from where I was, it was very clear. Coach says "I'm not upset with you. I'm upset with my girls. I'm just taking it out on you." I said "Coach, I'm used to it. I'm married." She just grinned and sat down.

Oh, and one other thing. God does not interfere with athletics, except when Notre Dame beats Michigan. see: The Hand of God

nvrmind

[Edited by icallfouls on Apr 5th, 2005 at 12:11 PM]

I thought that was Maradonna in the World Cup. . .

I don't know what you wrote before you edited this post, but I noticed the same thing. I'm pretty sure that there are still player control fouls in NCAA women's ball, although the signal is different from the men's signal.

The only type of foul that the men have and the women don't have (as far as I know) is the intentional technical foul for dead ball contact.

If I'm wrong about the women still using the PC, then I'm sure someone will correct me.

There is no such thing as a player control foul in ncaa women's ball. It is always a team control foul which is signaled by jabbing your right arm in the direction the ball is to be awarded.

4-26-8.b?

Good,great, and grand point Dan, but where can you find the signal that backs that up. Do you just tell the score keeper that it was a player-control. The ncaa rule book specifically says that the hand behind the head is only used in men's ball

The hand behind the head means both TC & PC in men's ball (I don't do women's ball). I don't tell them nothing unless they ask. It's usually obvious which one I'm calling.

There is PC and TC fouls on the women's side. They just use a different mechanic. "The Punch" replaces the hand behind the head on the womens side.

I know, I know this is a technicality, but the "punch" is still only according to the rule book used for team control fouls which I am assuming that if a girl with the ball is dribbling and runs over the other player that it is a team control foul and not a player control foul.

Ah, one liners, I love them. :D I wasn't fortunate enough to pull this one off but I heard it this weekend:

Ref calls illegal offensive screen away from ball on blue and reports it to the table. Other ref sets up play to go the other direction. Coach who's player the foul was called on, after realizing the foul was called on his player, began yelling, "Hey wait a minute, you meant white didn't you. We were on offensive!"

Ref says, "Not any more."

It's both. There are several ways to charge into an opponent, and one of those ways is to do it with control of the ball. That makes your charge a player control foul.

Similarly, there are lots of ways to have a team control foul; one of which is to commit a player control foul.

A friend of mine was talking to a longtime area girls coach before the game when the coach mentioned she had graduated from the opposing school. My buddy remarked,"I didn't think the school was that old."

Stop me if you have heard this one...A veteran official, who has about 50 years officiating(ouch..), once told me he uses this in his pregame conference with the captains...
Q: Why do officials officiate?
A: Because they can't play

Q; Why do players play?
A: Because they can't officiate

Q: Why do coaches coach?
A: Because they can neither play nor officiate...

(lol)

Good one!

A coach was complaining about the disparity in fouls called on his team vs. the opponent. I told him, "Coach, your players are so quick that the other team can't get close enough to foul you." He had this puzzled look on his face. Precious!

Best saying ever to an official? - "Good game, ref".

It means more when it comes from the losing team.

If you believe them when they say "good job" then ya gotta believe them when they say "You sucked"

No?

I only believe coaches when they say "Good game ref" if they go on to explain why they thought so. Perhaps sayingwe made a few key calls or handled an unusual situation well or something.

And in return, if I thought a team did a good job, I'll try to say more than "Good game coach." I'll try to think of a few examples of why I thought they played well. Losing coaches seem to like that too, if you can find something good they did.

BBall coach got me good once in a good natured exchange. Just a few seconds earlier, I had called over and back right in front of the scorers table. He started complaining and I just ignored him because it was obvious. Play went on for a short time and the ball goes out of bounds near midcourt - that's when I realize I had the wrong line! It was one of those courts with a zillion lines on it. I turned to the coach and asked him if I had called the wrong line earlier and he said yes. "Was that the worst call you've ever seen," I asked. This was a girls game, not exciting, and it was almost silent in the gym when he replied, "No, one you made earlier tonight was even worse!" After a second, I started laughing, he started laughing, the table started laughing and it finally spread to the players and crowd. It was one of those special moments in sports that you always remember.

In my early days as an up-and-comer, I was selected to referee some very lucrative games, including provincial finals that stretched for 5 years in row, 4 years doing medal games.

I showed enthusiasm that had left many of my local colleagues behind. Coupled with the first 2-3 years of success mentioned in the first paragraph, I had the typical attitude of "thinking that I was better than I was."

A retired official, builder, principal, etc... who garnishes respect everywhere he goes, says to me, "You're the second best official in our association."

I replied, "Oh yeah?!," and naturally, with my attitude, I thought that he was correct, only to be surprised when he replied to me, "Ya, everyone else is tied for first." Sad thing is I didn't get it for a couple of seconds.

Then, 6 months later, I fell for the joke again. :D

The lesson was learned.

I wasn't working this game, but was courtside. It was a Frosh or JV game, and one kid on one team was big, reasonably athletic, but little in the way of basketball skills.

Anyway, on a fast break by another team, the big kid hammers the guy going for a layup. He wasn't doing it maliciously or even intentionally, just trying to play the ball and be agressive, but his size and lack of skill made it look worse than it was. It was just a hard foul correctly called.

The lead official, who made the call, is going to report the foul, and the coach blurts out, "you called that on him because he's a football player." After a second, I just died laughing.

I had a coach some years ago have this exchange with me.

My partner called a travel on the home team. I happened to be standing in front of the home coach in a 3 Person crew. The home team coach immediately starting questioning my partner's call. All I said to him was, "my partner had a good look at it." The coach came back and said, "When I look on the tape, the officials are right 99% of the time anyway." I looked at this coach with amazement. I have never heard that before and never heard a coach say that since.

Peace

I am 6'-5". In our state we typically have a girls varsity game followed by the boys varsity. During a timeout of a boys game, I stood near the cheeleaders on the endline waiting to administer the ball. an attractive girl who had played in the girls game and was now cheerleading said to me "You sure are tall, if I was as big as you do you think I could dominate you?" I thought, but didn't say, Oh baby! You don't have to be big to dominate me!

Good no call.

More on the humorous side
 

This past year I was working a soroity playoff game. White is bringing the ball down court and blue 25 is running down the court to get back on defense. The white player moves to one side to try to get around her defender and into blue 25's path. Blue 25, who , it seemed, had time to see white move and space to get around her, the runs right into white. I call a foul and report it: Blue 2-5, Push, White ball. Blue 25 then turns to me with a stunned look on her face and says "But I ran into her!"

The punch is used for both in womens NCAA and the NBA. There is a player control in women's NCAA. In the NBA it is just called a charge, there is no "player control" in the rule book. Both use the punch and it is a better mechanic. Many men's officials no longer use the head behind the head but use a modified fist with their finger out pointing the other way. In the SEC they are allowed to use the punch.

Personally I like the punch a lot better.

I think I know who you are proref27 and if your first name starts with a D please tell me because I would so love to talk to you a little more on lots of different topics.

Both NCAA Men's and Women's basketball have a player control and a team control foul rule. A player control foul is exactly the same as team control foul, except the foul is on a player with the ball. The only main difference between Men's and Women's basketball in this area is the fact that the Men's side does not apply the airborne shooter rule the same. Once a shooter releases the ball, if they commit a foul before coming back floor then it is a regular foul and bonus free throws are possible if the offended team is in the bonus.

The real difference is that each level has a different signal. I have used the "punch" myself during Men's basketball and I have never been told not to use it.

I would be glad to discuss any topic you like.

My first question I have proref27 is do you plan on retiring anytime soon. It seems like what you do would be so tiresome. Don't get me wrong though you look like you could go for several more years. I love watching you and many others work and more than anything i would love to be able to hear how you interact with players and coaches because more than anything (besides always getting the call right) that is what I want to be very good at. If you have any tips or websites you could give me I would be very appreciative.