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Old Fri Jul 22, 2005, 11:20am
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crappy relief pitching was the major consequence of the Balco steroid mess.
I'd heard this theory when the testing was first proposed, and honestly, I dismissed it out of hand. But I've heard more and more people saying that pitchers use the steroids, not to build strength, but to recover from the damage of the previous night's work. It does seem to make sense, and there do seem to be a lot of relievers whose performance has dropped significantly.

Has it affected pitching more than hitting? Hard to say, but my favorite stat of the testing-era is that home runs per game this season is at the lowest level since 1995, which is the first year of the big home run boom.
That's exactly what Nameless Manager said, Chuck.
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Old Fri Jul 22, 2005, 11:27am
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Thoughts?
From everything I've read, it makes perfect sense that pitchers especially could get caught up in steroid use. I think the average person might think you take steroids, and your muscles grow bigger. That's not the way they work - they actually help your muscles heal faster, so you can work out more often and get stronger, quicker. In the case of pitchers, just quickening the healing process after an outing of throwing breaking balls would be a great help. And certainly that's Gordon's specialty - the slider. But, he was that way with the Cubs as well; either untouchable or very touchable. (Huh?... ) So, can someone give Victor Conti's business card to Kerry Wood, please?

Btw, I'm also a big Steve Stone fan. I've heard him on some of the regional Fox weekend games; does anyone know if he's working full-time somewhere? I hope he gets the chance at some point to be a GM somewhere; after all, if Bob Brenly can go from the broadcast booth to manager, surely Steve can get that same chance?
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Old Sun Jul 24, 2005, 02:33pm
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Old Mon Jul 25, 2005, 07:39am
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Your big problem, mick, is the A's -- who are on fire and suddenly tied for the wild card. The Tigers are only 4 out of the wild card, which sounds good until you realize that there are 5 teams ahead of them. (Sounds like the NL East!) I think it's great, tho. Good for the fans to be hopeful, for a change.
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Old Mon Jul 25, 2005, 08:06am
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Your big problem, mick, is the A's -- who are on fire and suddenly tied for the wild card. The Tigers are only 4 out of the wild card, which sounds good until you realize that there are 5 teams ahead of them. (Sounds like the NL East!) I think it's great, tho. Good for the fans to be hopeful, for a change.
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If that's my *big problem*, then life is a cinch.

The Tigers seem to be doing better since Trammell kicked Gibson off as bench manager and made him the hitting coach.
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Old Mon Jul 25, 2005, 08:29am
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Chuck,
If that's my *big problem*, then life is a cinch.
If only, huh? I hear ya.
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Old Mon Jul 25, 2005, 08:55am
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Hey Junker, M&M,

What do you guys think about Mike Wilbon's proposal for turning Wood into a closer? Fewer innings, less stress on the arm. . .
More games in which he can injure his arm again . . .
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Old Mon Jul 25, 2005, 02:41pm
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More games in which he can injure his arm again . . .
Actually, it's his shoulder, but who's counting.

Now, here's something that shows I don't have a medical degree - there was an article that quoted the team trainer: "The steroid they injected in there is used to decrease the inflammation in the joint," Cubs trainer Mark O'Neal said. "He's getting irritation to the joint when he's throwing. This is an aggressive approach to quiet it down."

Steroids are illegal, right? Or is it just certain types? Maybe this was the "clear" he got from Barry?

Just wait 'till next year.
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Old Thu Jul 28, 2005, 01:02pm
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Now, here's something that shows I don't have a medical degree - there was an article that quoted the team trainer: "The steroid they injected in there is used to decrease the inflammation in the joint," Cubs trainer Mark O'Neal said. "He's getting irritation to the joint when he's throwing. This is an aggressive approach to quiet it down."

Steroids are illegal, right? Or is it just certain types? Maybe this was the "clear" he got from Barry?
My guess would be that they're using a different type of steroid, likely non-anabolic. Probably something along the lines of prednisone, just to keep the swelling down.
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Old Thu Jul 28, 2005, 01:57pm
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My guess would be that they're using a different type of steroid, likely non-anabolic. Probably something along the lines of prednisone, just to keep the swelling down.
I thought one of the other stories I read said it was a cortisone shot. Is (something)isone just another form of steroid? Can you tell I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
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Old Thu Jul 28, 2005, 05:16pm
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Is (something)isone just another form of steroid? Can you tell I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
To my knowledge, yes.
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Old Fri Jul 29, 2005, 08:54am
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Amazing game in Toronto last night. 18 innings. Longest game in the bigs this year. I listened to the last 4 innings on my XM while on my way home from camp. Funny thing was that the game was scoreless for the first 8 innings. Then each team scored once in the ninth, then it was scoreless for the next 8 and a half innings, when Toronto finally won it in the bottom of the 18th.

I kind of wonder if the guy who scored in the bottom of the ninth was out there in the 16th thinking, "Why couldn't I have been thrown out?!?!"
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Yes, it was Chuck. And the right team won as well!

I left a football soire hoping to return home just in time to catch the 9th. I did, and then some! LOL. I stayed up until the end.

Bad luck for LAA - they had to bail right away to go play the NYY I believe.

It wasn't great baseball to watch. There were few hits. Probably something like 7 and 7 or 8 and 8, which in 18 innings, is 3 or 4 per team per game. Uck.

LAA F4 should have had the grounder at the end. Score it as E4. I liked the idea of bringing in a 5th infielder.
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Old Fri Jul 29, 2005, 09:10am
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Amazing game in Toronto last night. 18 innings. Longest game in the bigs this year. I listened to the last 4 innings on my XM while on my way home from camp. Funny thing was that the game was scoreless for the first 8 innings. Then each team scored once in the ninth, then it was scoreless for the next 8 and a half innings, when Toronto finally won it in the bottom of the 18th.

I kind of wonder if the guy who scored in the bottom of the ninth was out there in the 16th thinking, "Why couldn't I have been thrown out?!?!"
I was listening to part of that game as well. To me it's fascinating to hear about all the strategy, even going so far as to affect today's game. LA used so many pitchers last night/this morning that they are looking to add another pitcher to the roster for today's game. I wonder how many pinch hitters were used, or how many players were left on the bench at the end? Heck, if this game was at Wrigley there would've been a second rendition of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame". (Although, I wonder if the personality that sang in the seventh would've still been around to sing the second time, or if their "people" would've had them outta there?)
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Old Fri Jul 29, 2005, 09:52am
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Amazing game in Toronto last night. 18 innings. Longest game in the bigs this year.
The more interesting stat, IMO anyways, was the time of game - 4 hours 50 minutes.

When I watch BOS/NYY games on FOX, they seem to average about 4:15 - 4:30.

Could FOX maybe take a lesson from last night's game?
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