...but, as a lowly fan, I will speak my thoughts, as a fan.

If the clock reads 19:59 in the game and there is a foul, it should be called.

If there is :01 left in the game and there is a foul, it should be called.

Sparks got fouled, my friend who was at the game said an official blew his whistle when he shot and was fouled, watched to see if it went in, then did not make the call once it did...

I understand the intent of letting players decide the outcome, but, the Mich. State player decided to contend the shot and fouled him on it...the whistle blew, and there was no call after it went in.

Where is the justice for Chuck Hayes?

The whistle went?

Really?

Anyone else (with TIVO) able to verify this?

I remember seeing one officials hand go up to signal the 3, but don't remember seeing any fists go up.

For the record, I don't think he was fouled. The guy went up, but the contact, I think, was caused just as much by Hayes as by the defender.

Sorry, Tubby, I've got no-call all the way....

From the angle I saw on the TV, there was no foul.


Good No Call

You got beat, he did not get fouled, your friend did not see/hear a foul called, and it was a 2 point shot to boot...Your season is over now go away.

None of the officials raised their fists. There was no foul call. He was not fouled. Based on the replay, I would not have overruled the call on the floor that it was a three - and I was pulling for the Spartans.

Then why do you ask?

Hmm... are you Mark Cuban? :D

Your friend knows that this so called whistle was for what, how?

what else would it have been for?


the banged around the rim like crazy because there was contact, it's physics

Well, I think that it's all Karl Hess' fault!

You know guys, I thought I heard a whistle too actually, but Just blew it off.

TubbyRules,

Why was it a foul? Do you have a rule reference to back it up? Was it a foul because you say so? The Kentucky player went up and landed without a problem. If they called that foul, they sure as hell did not call that type of contact during other parts of the game (at least the times I watched).

You lost. It is over. Go away now.

Peace

I wouldn't exactly say he took the time to set up for this shot. It sorta looked like he threw it up, maybe that's why it banged around the rim, because he didn't set up.

There was no foul there, I agree with BlindZebra, it was a 2pt shot, you guys were lucky to get overtime. It was a good game, the officials did an amazing job and all the replies to your post are probably gonna sound like this one so don't get your hopes up.. You might wanna check out the post that warns about fanboys complaining, because that's the cycle this one's gonna follow.

If you think the rules of Physics would prove that every ball that bangs around the rim is due to the shooter getting fouled, then your Physics teacher is dumber than your English teacher - if possible.

my bad guys, i just watch alot of games, and wonder if Sparks had missed it, the call would have been made, and if it was...then, it's a shame it wasn't called when he made it.

I am proud of Tubby and these Cats...i feel horrible for Chuck.

Now go screw UL on Saturday, hehe

GO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, you sure are the expert. I guess we should defer to your expertise considering you "watch" basketball games.

Peace

oh yeah, what about Rondo's second foul?

he was moving away from the basket, and the defender was moving under him...just watched it on replay

human error? i guess it happens, sucks for Chuck though

Since I don't know how to change the font size or bold it out, just picture this as the biggest WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? you've ever seen!

It is all the official's fault. If I am not mistaken, the officials did not miss any FTs, open shots or forget to stop the dribbler. But then again, we have to bail out every team for their miscues. I forgot you are the expert watching all those games on a sofa at home.

Peace

??? ??? ????

I took a lot of physics in high school and college, and I don't remember anything about a ball always swishing through the net unless there was a foul. What text are you working from?

So what's all this about Chuck Hayes? I sort of lose my focus and my vision gets misty when he's on the screen, so I guess I missed something. Did he get kicked out of basketball forever?

R.I.P.
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KENTUCKY 2005

C'mon, JR, you forgot the SWEETEST one!!!!

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DUKE 2005

MMMM, This popcorn is good!!

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.a...9&sid=&style=2

check out the picture about halfway down on this thread...looks like there was contact, patrick went up, MSU player moved in, contact...

one ref motions for foul prior to shot going in, shot goes in, he doens't call foul

players decide games, and MSU player decided to move in and foul Patrick...the ref knew it, called it, called it off in a bad decision

My previous comments are withdrawn. You're back on my troll list. Better luck next year.

So. All contact is not a foul. It is in the rulebook clearly, but you do not officiate so it would be pointless to give you the reference.

The official had his arm in the air, because that is what you are supposed to do when a basket might count. It was not a foul signal. If it was a foul signal, the official would have come to the foul.

Patrick jumped forward as well. It would have been a horrible foul to call when the shooter jumps into the defender on such desperation shot.

It is obvious you know nothing about the rules or the game. The fact that you’re watching games does not cut it. All contact is not a foul. I am still waiting for your rule references or mechanic references that shows what officials are supposed to do.

Peace

You really need to get a life. You're one sad l'il dude.

A little further down in the "discussion" there is a pic of UK player clearly, using fanspeak, over the back on a rebound dunk/follow. Did UK player get called for this? NO!

In refering to the original picture in question, it is clear that UK player is jumping forward into MSU player who is being forced back and a way because of the contact. You know the more I look at it this should have been called an offensive foul. So it looks like UK got an extra 8 minutes of undeserved time in the tournament, thus more opportunities to prove they were the better team, which of course they were not. If I am an MSU fanboy, I am pissed that the PC foul didn't get called.

Don't be too sad, UK football is just around the corner, another 3 and 8 season is fast approaching. :O

Sparks is clearly initiating contact. No foul. No fist raised on shot as well. What you saw was the official signaling three point shot. Any contact incidental. I will tell you this there's is no way the officials at that level are going to wait to see if a shot is good to determine whether a foul is called or not. These guys are too good and trust me when I tell you this they could care less who wins or loses.

Actually - they couldn't care less who wins or loses.

A common mistake - kind of like saying "lax-i-daisical". ;)

Or "Azubuike" :p

2 Things
 

1 - From that picture: Player Control on Sparks

2 - Is that dog that hits the trampoline OK?
AAR

AAR - What flavor butter do you use? :D

Man, am I starting to enjoy troll-hunting!

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I wasn't going to look at the link, but #2 above got me curious. That thing is awful!

Also, I'm wondering fi there were two different broadcasts of this game. There's no way there was any ref signalling any foul in any of the replays I saw. I don't know what anyone is talking about.

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#2 - That is actually a bear. It had climbed into the tree above the tramp. Here's a link to the story and video http://www.local6.com/news/2469188/detail.html

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Juulie,

I think those reasonable, non-biased ;) fans in the other thread got confused by the officials' signal for the 3-attempt, and the subsequent "count it" signal when the buzzer went - they thought (erroneously) that the preliminary signal was for a foul, and the next signal was for an "and one".

If the official signalled the "3" with the middle, ring, and pinky fingers, maybe someone confused the rest of his fingers as making sort of a fist - I don't know.

What I don't get is this idea that there was a WHISTLE - although there could have been one at the buzzer signalling the expiration of the clock - that, combined with the above, could have had some (uninformed and ignorant) Kentucky fans thinking they got robbed of a free throw to win it.

Just shooting at shadows....

I initially confused the three fingers for a fist and I too thought I heard a whistle. When I saw Burr slam it home, with the three fingers no longer there, my immediate reaction was that the call was a two point basket and a foul. In fact, I turned to my wife, and said, "wow, big pressure free throw here." It was the absence of a touchdown and the slamming it home, plus the apparent whistle that confused me. On tivo, replaying it, it was clear there is no fist, which makes the whole debate silly, although there is something that sounds like a whistle.

Why did Burr slam it home? To signal that the shot was released before the expiration of the game, I guess. On the replay, I didn't see any foul, other than perhaps P/C.

I would also like to know what all the fuss is about Chuck Hayes. It's not like he was the best player in college or anything. There are a lot of guys that have lost to feel sorry for besides Hayes. :)

Why not use a td signal for "count it". That would have been far less confusing. Or do the three, then the slam, then the td.

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Thanks for the link. I 'll sleep better tonight!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rainmaker

Quote:

Originally posted by rulesmaven Why not use a td signal for "count it". That would have been far less confusing. Or do the three, then the slam, then the td.

TD, then "count it" is the correct mechanic, I believe....but in the heat of that particular moment, I guess they altered it a bit.

I doubt the evaluator will bring it up, :) They tend to give those Regional Final crews a bit of latitude, right? :D

"You got beat, he did not get fouled, your friend did not see/hear a foul called, and it was a 2 point shot to boot...Your season is over now go away." (Posted by Blind Z)

BlindZ, LOL, LOL! You crack me up! Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think! I love it!

Comments: My TV showed the foot at the line magnified several times. It was a bit fuzzy but looked like a three to me.
Foul? I questioned that too but saw that replayed too and I saw no foul. Good "no call".
The ball bounced around because it was thrown in despiration with very little height. It's a wonder it went in.
What's even more lucky is that he ever got the ball back to begin with.

Great game - GO SPARTANS

SEC woes
 

I teach 7th grade. I feel like Tubby is one of my students. Good grief...

I thought the play was handled and called perfectly. The picture you want us to look clearly shows shooter jumping into defender who appears to have legal guarding position...and even giving position away to the shooter to avoid the foul.

Now, I have seen no mention of UK blowing a 4 point lead in the first OT. How can you pin this one at the stripes? MSU clearly was struggling out of the gate in the first OT with the events that transpired. Yet, UK was unable to take advantage of a nice comeback effort and seal the deal.

Oh...and thank you Illinois, MSU, and Wisconsin for salvaging the Big 10's season.

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My day is now complete ;)

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Who dressed up that dog to look like a bear?
Maybe....just maybe, it's a rare breed of bear dog.

The ball bounced around because it was thrown in despiration with very little height. It's a wonder it went in.
What's even more lucky is that he ever got the ball back to begin with.[/B][/QUOTE]

It's amazing that when he got a good look and actually "shoots" the ball, he airballed it. Then, with time running out he steps back, ducks a defender, flicks it up there and it goes in.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a bear!!
 

You can't make stuff like that up!
AAR