I was watching this game while on the phone with my life-long buddy who lives in Chapel Hill, (I live in Fresno, CA) and we BOTH saw this; we both screamed "TRAVEL!" (So I know I'm not losing my mind) And so far, no one else on planet Earth has mentioned it:

Very late in the game (sorry, didn't record it) with maybe 1 minute left, and Villanova gets a rebound about 5 feet from the basket on the near side to the TV camera. Villanova player is looking for an outlet pass, and doesn't get one for about 4 seconds. He's beginning to lose his balance, and DRAGGED his pivot foot! the PbP guys didn't see it, no ref called it, but Greg and I saw it!! Very soon afterward, the travel call that wasn't a travel was called (that we are all discussing here); we both said "Make-up call" which we all know wasn't true, but we were still incredulous that they missed the dragged pivot foot.

Plus, I haven't seen anyone ask about it on this board. Were we dreaming?

BTW, I am an 8-year BB official. And, as you can see, a Tar Heel fan.

Phil



[Edited by Tar Heel on Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:33 PM]

If you're talking about the travel-that-wasn't-a-travel that has a four page thread called, "Ummm", that was at about 11 seconds. Is that the one?

No, the travel you are referring to occured after my travel-that-wasn't-called-and-nobody-noticed occured.

For those of you with tape on this game, I direct your attention to late in the game, rewind from where the travel-that-wasn't-a-travel occured (the one with the 10-mile long thread titled "Ummm...") Run back about 30 to 45 seconds in game-clock-time and watch for a Villanova rebound on the nearside.

I wish I had recorded the game...

Phil

I've got the game (well, the last minute or two from when CBS finally got a clue that Utah was sunk, and switched), but no time to look. But you've got me curious so maybe in my next life, I"ll get back to it.

It was the rebound on the missed FT, just before the travel on Foye.

No big deal. There are dozens of traveling violations that could be called in a game that aren't.

BTW, the FT violation on Foye was a very good call at the 40 second mark.

Yes, that's the one, but similar to the travel in the backcourt not called by Jim Stupin in the 1992 Carolina/Michegan game.

How can it be "No big deal?" He dragged his foot a good 12 inches! C'mon, that should have been called. First thing you do when you see a player stuck on an outlet pass is watch the pivot foot for movement. Same as for play at midcourt; you're watching for over-and-back... anticipation... It's called knowing the game and anticipating what is likely to occur in any given situation.

Phil

Sorry Phil but I've got news for you. Travels occur all the time that aren't called. You and I could watch a game and I could point out 10 to 20 travels in any game that aren't called.

Phil,

I don't think ANYONE wants us to start calling ALL the travels that happen....

It's called game management and having a patient whistle.

While I agree that you can't call everything, and deciding when to blow the whistle is a matter of judgment many times, at this level, and in this case I think it should have been called. The foot was dragged a minimum of 6 inches, constituting an advantage. The player regained his balance as a result of the violation. In a game of this magnitude, I would have called it. HAd it been a 7th grade girls game, of a JV game I would have ignored it.

Pivot means pivot, it doesn't mean "except when you need to move to regain your balance".

phil

Phil, apparently you're the only one in the world(except for your buddy) who thought that travelling should have been called on the play. You've made your point-several times. Give it a break and quit lecturing us on the rules. You don't know the rules. You also don't know the philosophy behind the application of the rules. You might have a little bit more credibility if you were actually an official instead of just another fanboy whining about what he thinks is a missed call.

We already got one one North Carolina fanboy posting here- BktBallRef.There's a forum rule that says we don't have to put up with two of you. That's cruel and unusual punishment.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Mar 26th, 2005 at 10:04 PM]

Well, when and IF you ever get a game of that magnitude, we'll look forward to seeing you make the call that all these other Sweet 16 officials are missing.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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You might have a little bit more credibility if you were actually an official instead of just another fanboy whining about what he thinks is a missed call.

Tar Heel claims eight years of officiating experience, although he doesn't indicate the level. In any case, his post does indeed reflect fan mentality.

And, Tar Heel, if you would have done just a bit of lurking to get a feel for the tenor of this board before posting, you could have saved yourself a lot of grief.

Sven

Uh, wow... I've posted exactly 4 times on this board, and started my last post with the statement "I agree..." and what with the vitriolic responses, it would appear that differences of opinion cannot be debated on this board without hate and flame.

Jesus...I honestly did not mean to anger anyone. My deepest apologies to anyone I offended. I figured since y'all were debating the questionable call that WAS made, and there was lively discussion over whether it was actually a travel, you'd respond in kind to a discussion of a call that, IN MY OPINION, was missed. I guess I figured wrong.

Sheesh... Ok, I surrender; you guys (gals) win; if it means that much to you, the travel was "ignorable".

For the record, since it the question was raised, I am an 8th year official in the Fresno Unit of the California Basketball Officials Association. I served for 3 years in the Tulare/Kings unit when my sales territory was down there. I put in as much time as I can, and since my ability to dedicate time varies from year to year, I am content to get whatever games my assigner sees fit to give me. There was a time when I wanted badly to get to the college level, but I started my career when i was 43, much too old to develop the track record and the fast legs to move to college ball. So, I take what I can get, and am happy to do the best job I can at the high school level.

I do take the job seriously, and work to be the best official I can be.

I am really surprised by the level of hatred, (especially from "Jurassic Referee") I am seeing over a simple difference of opinion. I don't recall personally attacking anyone (as has been done to me), and I truly do not feel that I was "lecturing" you on the rules. If you took it that way, then I genuinely and deeply apologize.

Again, my deepest apologies.

Phil

BTW, one thing I don't apologize for is being a Tar Heel fan. I was born in Chapel Hill, both my parents worked at the university, I sold programs and Cokes at Kenan Stadium for many years in my youth, and went out once with Dean Smith's daughter, Sharon. I watched Charlie Scott waaay back in the late 60's... I didn't attend the university, but it's been a part of my life since the day I was born. So, yes, I'm a Tar Heel fan...always will be.

Ummmm...why did we jump Tar Heel so bad? his is not the first differing opinion Ive seen on the boars.... and hes wise enough to be a fan of the greates b-ball program ever.....

It's not hatred and it's not a personal attack and it's not a difference of opinion. It's "enough is enough". I might even have agreed with you--the first time. You're watching the games from a fan's viewpoint, not an offical's. You're belaboring the call like a fan, not an official. You made your point. Maybe the officials actually did miss a minor travel against your beloved Tar Heels. Big whoop. There's no real need to keep making the same point over and over and over, is there?

J-ref..go easy...lets not run the man from the board..I think you made your point the first time.....

I'm not trying to run him from the board. I was just telling him it was nothing personal from the git-go, is all. He certainly has the right to post anything he wants any time he wants. My point is that when you post over and over about the same referee missing the same call without adding anything new or different, it kinda looks like "official abuse" rather than just a case of simply discussing a call.

This is my last comment on what has degenerated into a stupid thread...

My basis for making this observation was not based on the fact that it was against the Heels, it was based on my observation of a call. Period. I also happen to agree that the travel call minutes later against Villanova was bogus... Both were bad calls/no calls for different reasons.

JR; I sense that you are as upset that I am a Tar Heel fan as anything else. My suggestion to you, in all seriousness, and with all due respect, is that if you don't like someone's opinion, just ignore it and move to other threads that meet your standards of relevance. I would think that the vitriolic, bombastic and negative tones you project at times would detract from a lively, fun learning experience we are trying to achieve here.

I'm sure you're a good ref, but again, with all due respect, can't you just lighten up a bit?

Take care...

I'm done with this one.

Phil

You would be wrong. Some of my best friends are TarHeel fans.

Wouldn't want my daughter to marry one though.

No, most us are tired of folks like yourself that insist you know more than the officials. I am not an accountant, but I do not berate accountants for what I might think is a mistake based on regulation and laws. If that bothers you, you are coming to the wrong place. I am sure there are plenty of fan boards that would welcome your rants about missed calls and bias officiating. This is not the place. This is really the case when you come here with no evidence or no knowledge of the game. I bet you have no idea what rule traveling is in? I think it is a good idea that you just go. Especially if you are going to come here with that typical weak mess about the officials.

Peace

J-Rut..dont know if you didnt look or just didnt care..but he IS an official..yeah..maybe he ranted too much, but cut him a break........

That's okay! None of us would want to marry her! She's kinda "funney" looking! :D

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I am not going to cut him a break at all. I expect even more out of him then. If he has for any length of time, he should know we all make mistakes. Also not all officials are assigned playoff games. Until you have been in that situation, you really should not go on and on about one call.

Peace

Yup, looks just her her dear ol' dad.

You should have seen her before the makeover.