Uhhmmm....

[IBHookin43]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Since I haven't made a comment on this play yet, I'll chime in now. All of the above comments are excellent. I have the game on video tape and have watched the play in slow-motion several times.
I believe that the left foot was still on the floor when the dribble ended. That makes it the pivot foot when the right foot touches in a step. The Villanova player now stepped with his right foot and then his left before going up to shoot. That's a travel and I say that the official got it right.

I also agree that it was super close. Afterall, I had a difficult time making the determination in super slow-mo! In live action, from the Lead, with players in front of me, I doubt that I make that call.
I feel that the official called it based upon the awkwardness of how the play looked. It just happened too fast for me to believe otherwise.

As it has been mentioned previously, the replay angle does not show the left hand to enable an accurate determination of when the dribble was terminated with respect to the left foot placement on the floor. Has someone seen a different replay angle that shows the left hand? If not, it does not appear that the right hand palm is facing up during the time that the left foot is in contact with the floor indicating a one handed termination of the dribble. Therefore, the only way for the dribble to become terminated would be the placement of the second hand on the ball. Is this not correct? (The possible exception being holding the ball to the body with one hand, which I don't think occurred.)

When I stop the replay at the exact position of the left foot coming off the floor, it does not appear (conclusively) that both hands are in contact with the ball.

Bottom line...without unobstructive view of left hand...too close to call, IMO.

Rick@LBA

[rulesmaven]

[As it has been mentioned previously, the replay angle does not show the left hand to enable an accurate determination of when the dribble was terminated with respect to the left foot placement on the floor. Has someone seen a different replay angle that shows the left hand? If not, it does not appear that the right hand palm is facing up during the time that the left foot is in contact with the floor indicating a one handed termination of the dribble. Therefore, the only way for the dribble to become terminated would be the placement of the second hand on the ball. Is this not correct? (The possible exception being holding the ball to the body with one hand, which I don't think occurred.)

When I stop the replay at the exact position of the left foot coming off the floor, it does not appear (conclusively) that both hands are in contact with the ball.

Bottom line...without unobstructive view of left hand...too close to call, IMO.

Rick@LBA [/B]

Yeah, I tried to make this point earlier. You just can't see it. I agree that he definitely did not gather with the right hand alone. So the question turns on the left hand. Not only can you not see it, but he's wearing a blue arm sleeve that matches the color of his uniform, which makes it even more difficult.

What I can say is that given the angle of the arm, the speed the arm was moving, and the rest of the body language from the back that we're all used to that shows when a player has controlled a ball and is starting his move to the goal, I *think* the right not the left foot was the pivot.

But that's all circumstantial -- if O'Neill could see the left hand from his position, then he knows while we're just guessing. But I do agree with you 100 percent that there's no replay yet that has shown me the piece of information that I would regard as dispositive of whether the call was correct.

[OverAndBack]

I was out of town on business all weekend and only saw this on a highlight without sound and the first thing that crossed my mind was "he called a foul and not the travel?"

Then I discovered he did call travel and everybody's on him about it.

I'm nobody from nowhere, admittedly, but that first glance to me looked travel-ish. If it wasn't, it wasn't, but if we have to start getting TiVos out to discern if a call was right or wrong, then I feel justified in my (almost final) decision not to do this anymore.

[Almost Always Right]

The ball started out in a dual responsibility area and in IMO it would've been nice, if there was going to be a travel on this play, if the T could've got the travel out just inside the 3 pt. arc.
I think they were both travels but the one out front appeared to be "more of a violation".(That sounds kind of funny when I say it)
My record from the barstool remains perfect!!
AAR

[ljudge]

Gentlemen: Let me preface this by saying I don't know squat about basketball but I am curious about something. In football we have an inadvertent whistle rule. If an official anticipated a foul (as many people think happened) and blew the whistle and realized he didn't have a foul what actions are available to him? Is there such thing as an inadvertent in b-ball as we do with football?

[drothamel]

ljudge,

This should be good, because I don't know squat about football. In basketball, we try to avoid the inad. whistle at all costs. The only option we get is to say, "my bad," and then put the ball back in play at the point of interruption. You guys also get to get together and pick up flags, that makes us jealous. If, in this play, the official had done it inadvertently, the basket would not have counted, they would have inbounded at the nearest spot, and everyone would have went nuts. That is why we try to avoid the inadvertent whistle.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ljudge
Gentlemen: Let me preface this by saying I don't know squat about basketball but I am curious about something. In football we have an inadvertent whistle rule. If an official anticipated a foul (as many people think happened) and blew the whistle and realized he didn't have a foul what actions are available to him? Is there such thing as an inadvertent in b-ball as we do with football?

On an inadvertent whistle the ball is dead immediately unless the ball's in the air on a try. The team in control retains control. If no team is in control the team with the arrow gets the ball.

In practice, if an inadvertent whistle had been the call at that point of that game the official would have been better off clutching his chest & falling to the floor faking a massive heart attack.

[drothamel]

Dan is on to something there. Although, I might opt for the fake cramp or hamstring pull, or act like I am being chased by a mad hornet. It would let me come back into the game; plus faking a heart attack is like faking cancer...bad for the rep.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by drothamel
Dan is on to something there. Although, I might opt for the fake cramp or hamstring pull, or act like I am being chased by a mad hornet. It would let me come back into the game; plus faking a heart attack is like faking cancer...bad for the rep.

Good point. Also don't forget to keep track of how many times you needed to turn back a game due to your grandmother's death.

Best if you limit that to 2 per assignor.