Uhhmmm....

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by JRutledge
From my vantage point, it was a travel. I only saw one replay on this play. But it looked like he took the ball, turned while moving both feet, then got his feet together again before he made a dribble. Now I am sure the replay will be shown a few times later this evening. I might change my mind, but it looked like a travel at first glance to me.

Peace

Then it was a REALLY late whistle, because the walk was not called on the spin to start the dribble, but after the shot was released.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by rainmaker

So you think there wasn't a foul? My husband thought there was a good solid one in the paint. I could easily see no calling the minimal contact there, but he thought it was a good hard one. Never mind that the ball went in the basket. I finally convinced him that since the travel came first, the contact didn't matter. But you think it wasn't a foul? Nice to know I'm right once in a while.

No, I didn't think there was a foul. Looked like McCants completely avoided him to me and it certainly didn't affect the shot. I really believe he anticipated the call.

But it was called pretty tight all night, so who knows.

[JRutledge]

Yes it was traveling. He did not call traveling in the lane. The official called traveling by the 3 point line. You guys are listening too much to the commentators. That is just when the players stopped. Tommy O'Neal made that call, good freakin call. I will tell him when I see him this summer.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Sigh.

What travel?

Okay, then, reword the whole durn thing.

Since there wasn't a travel... (does that work?)

...should there have been a foul? I didn't think so, my husband did. What's your opinion, Danny boy?

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by blindzebra

Then it was a REALLY late whistle, because the walk was not called on the spin to start the dribble, but after the shot was released.

That may be, but he traveled way before the contact. The guy did a complete spin and stepped before he dribbled the ball.

I did not see the play live. So that might be why I feel the way I do.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by JRutledge
Yes it was traveling. He did not call traveling in the lane. The official called traveling by the 3 point line. You guys are listening too much to the commentators. That is just when the players stopped. Tommy O'Neal made that call, good freakin call. I will tell him when I see him this summer.

Peace

Why is the lead watching a drive that started BEHIND the 3 point line? All Tom should have on that is the help defender, that's trail's call.

[mightyvol]

Rutledge my man, its alright to be wrong once in awhile. Once again, we are human man and if we were perfect i sure the hell wouldnt be officiating basketball. lol

Mighty

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by blindzebra

Why is the lead watching a drive that started BEHIND the 3 point line? All Tom should have on that is the help defender, that's trail's call.

Why not? The ball was in the corner. He has ever right to watch that play. That is really the case when the ball goes deep in the corner like that. The Trail might get screened and the end line is threatened. What else was he supposed to watch? BTW, that particular official teaches that mechanic. He has told me about that the past two years at his camp.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by JRutledge
Yes it was traveling. He did not call traveling in the lane. The official called traveling by the 3 point line.

I'm afraid you're wrong, Jeff. I've watched it again and again. He didn't call the travel until after he left the floor to release the shot. Then, O'Neal pointed into the lane. The whistle was over 2 seconds after the spin move outside the arc.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:57 AM]

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by mightyvol
Rutledge my man, its alright to be wrong once in awhile. Once again, we are human man and if we were perfect i sure the hell wouldnt be officiating basketball. lol

Mighty

I am telling you what I saw and what might have been called. I did not see the play live. I did not hear the whistle. But he traveled way before he got to the lane. How can everyone rip apart these commentators, and then listen to them when a touch call is in place? Not sure I understand that logic.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Why not? The ball was in the corner. He has ever right to watch that play. That is really the case when the ball goes deep in the corner like that. The Trail might get screened and the end line is threatened. What else was he supposed to watch? BTW, that particular official teaches that mechanic. He has told me about that the past two years at his camp.

Peace

I just watched it again and the trail is looking right at it from the time he touched it to the time he shot, and had a completely open look. It was not in the corner either, it was between the block and the FT line extended.

The call was 100% trails.

[Edited by blindzebra on Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:59 AM]

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by blindzebra
I just watched it again and the trail is looking right at it from the time he touched it to the time he shot, and had a completely open look.

I'm telling ya, he anticipated a foul that didn't happen. It's a shame we can't see him when the hand goes up. I would love to know if it's an open hand or a fist.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

I'm afriad you're wrong, Jeff. I've watched it again and again. He didn't call the travel until after he left the floor to release the shot. Then, O'Neal pointed into the lane. The whistle was over 2 seconds after the spin move outside the arc.

I will ask him myself this summer. I know that will be talked about around here because he lives in this area. So we can find out then. If not then maybe before the summer. I do not care when the whistle was blown, he traveled way before that point. If that is not what he called, not sure we are going to solve that issue here tonight. He has talked about other games he worked and mistakes he has made. We will also see when the officials come out for the next game.

Peace

[rainmaker]

I see the play that Jeff thinks was the travel. The whistle was really, really late, if that was what happened. You can't see hte ref in the pic. Maybe he blew his whistle out of his mouth at first?

On the other hand, the trail did have a very good look, much better than the lead who had at least three players, and the body of the dribbler, between him and the ball.

I think it was a mistake by the ref. Doesn't happen often.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

I'm telling ya, he anticipated a foul that didn't happen. It's a shame we can't see him when the hand goes up. I would love to know if it's an open hand or a fist.

They'll probably have another angle by tomorrow's games.