Saw a game play on TV recently:

A1 with the ball in his front court, tried to pass the ball to A2 who was also in front court, but the ball was deflected by B1 a little bit. A2 tried to salvage the ball but only bumped the ball to his back court. then A2 ran across the mid-court line and secured the ball.

Backcourt! but where was the whistle? the game went on as if nothing had happened.

So now you know it was one of the NBA games. Those officials are bad, as we all know, but how come the team B coach did not go crazy?

Only later I found out that the defination of "team control" were different between NBA and NCAA, or NFHS, etc. In NBA rules, the "team control" also ends "when opponent(s) deflect the ball". (is this a recent change or has it been that way all along?)

I could not help wondering which ruling was better, or which ruling matched the spirit of this sport better?

In above case, if it happens in a high school or college game, team A simply can do nothing to prevent team B from getting the ball first, even though it was not exactly their fault to put themselves into such situation. So why do NCAA and NFHS keep the detailed backcourt ruling the way it is?

Thanks.

For starters - We do not all know that NBA officials are bad.

They are instructed to call games a certain way the same as how different conferences want their games called. If they were indeed bad like you say they are, there would be no way that they would still be getting paid what they do to officiate at the highest level.


In Fed play, the only thing A can do is touch the ball in the backcourt and have a violation instead of letting B get the ball and score an easy layup.

Is it possible you can get this translated to English & repost it?

TIA

How are NBA officials bad? They are the best at what they do....

Based upon your false assumption:
G'nite, ysong.
For this thread, ... you are the weakest link. ;)
mick

Is it possible you can get this translated to English & repost it?

For your information you can not use the same line that someone else has already used on you without giving them credit for it. I also realize that you would not recognize it, but that is English.

Now that we have that out of the way. Do you have any other type of comment based upon the answers you were provided with. If not, stop asking or in this case making silly remarks please.

Hey - stop making fun of ysong. At least he didn't post in french! :p

Dear Dan_ref, My English is very poor. Is it possible THAT you (XX CAN) get it translated INTO easy English and post it AGAIN?

BTW, is that the best you can do? How come it seems very low to me?

I think ysong is trying to say that he doesn't like the Fed and NCAA backcourt rule. Can we just cut him some slack, and address this issue? We know he's not a fanboy, because he's been posting here from an officials standpoint for several months. He also doesn't understand the NBA. But that's no surprise, is it? I think he might have worded it better, but then English isn't his first language, so let's ignore the twisted syntax and save our vituperation for TubbyRules and his siblings.

ysong -- The backcourt rule is convoluted and difficult, but it hasn't changed much in the last several years, and players just have to learn to work with it. I think it's just a matter of knowing it well enough to manage it. Also, the NBA has the best refs in the world. That's just a fact. I may not agree with this call, or that rule, but they do it the way they're supposed to, or they're done. So they've gotta be very, very good. I don't care much for NBA ball, myself, but I do know that the rules are quite different from Fed and NCAA, so it can be confusing to watch them. Mostly, I just don't.

Okay, I'll try to be more clear.

Your statement: "Those officials are bad, as we all know,....", is incorrect. <LI>The inclusive "we" does not pertain to any responder to your post, thus "we" does not apply.
Your implication that NBA officials are bad is incorrect.<LI>NBA officials are at the top of their trade. No official is paid more. No other official works with those great athletes or great coaches or typical fans.
Your misapplication of "their rule" and prejudgment of those officials was nothing but a typical fan reaction to a lack of knowledge.

mick

Dear Redhouse:

I deem your remark is very silly. (credit to Mr Redhouse.)

Believe it or not, I started here even earlier than you did, at least by 4 months. So save your "starter" to yourself please, Mr. Senior-Member-with-only-214-posts. You made me laugh.

Who do you think you really are? "We do not all know...", what makes you think you are allowed to represent everybody else and what makes you believe you know what everybody else knows? Give me a break.

Are you always this nice to people whom you believe "starters"? You remind me those schoolyard coward bullies.

Thanks.

FYI, I was not implying that you were a starter.

I was starting by responding to that part of your insane comment about NBA officials being bad. And to quote you, "NBA officials are bad, as we all know"

Who the hell are you to tell me something about using the term we Jacka$$.

First of all, (and I am not calling you a "first of all") his use of the term "for starters" simply means this is his first point. It is not a description of a "rookie".

Second, he is challenging your statement that "Those officials are bad, as we all know" which is a direct quote from your first post in this thread. So your own arguement about representing everybody else can be used against you, since that is what you implied.

Third, the NF backcourt rule is consistent with their policy of ruling that the last person a ball touched "caused" the ball to do whatever it does. This is the same theory used to determine possession on OOB plays. It would be silly to use this theory only some of the time. Either it's valid or it's not.

Fourth, I cannot post this in "easy English", whatever that is.

Fifth, I must give you credit for not posting in french.

Dear mick:

My English is poor, but my logic sense is not. Would you tell me the logical relation between "high paid" and "top of their trade"? I believe someone here mentioned that the pay was so low that referee could not be a full time job unless they were at NBA level. So based on your "logic", are those high school referees or college referee dumb because they are paid so little? (No offense to anybody who read this post please) I am wondering whether you are those high-paid ones or those "adfads" ones.

If you believe you are so knowledgeable, would you tell me when the definations of "team control" became different between NBA and other regulation bodies?

G'nite.

Yes your English is very poor. No it's not possible for me to translate it. Why do you believe I care what you think?

Anything else?

ysong,
The relationship between high pay and top of their trade is is direct. I believe the NBA implores supply-side economics, which advocates policies that raise capital and labor output by increasing the incentive to produce. Thus, doing a good officiating job for the NBA, provides a good product where the players, fans and coaches are willing to pay and participate, (ie, to buy) and the good officiating job is rewarded by higher pay.

The fact that officials work for or, in spite of, their pay has no direct relationship to intelligence.
I am not highly paid.
I do not know if I am an adfad.
I do not claim to be knowledgeable.
I do not judge volleyball, swimming, wrestling or NBA basketball.
I know that your "we" does not include me. Instead of using the term "We", perhaps your English skills may one day include idioms such as:
<I><LI>I think...<LI>In my opinion...<LI>It seems to me...</I>

mick

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Padgett
First of all, (and I am not calling you a "first of all") his use of the term "for starters" simply means this is his first point. It is not a description of a "rookie".

Oops!

Second, he is challenging your statement that "Those officials are bad, as we all know" which is a direct quote from your first post in this thread. So your own arguement about representing everybody else can be used against you, since that is what you implied.

Is it really that hard to see I was trying to be funny? Probably it was not funny, or no more funnier than people attack my English.


Third, the NF backcourt rule is consistent with their policy of ruling that the last person a ball touched "caused" the ball to do whatever it does. This is the same theory used to determine possession on OOB plays. It would be silly to use this theory only some of the time. Either it's valid or it's not.

Finally.
My original point is NBA backcourt rules encourage more competition, while NCAA rules actually forbid competition, in that particular case. So I am wondering why NCAA do not want to change that? It seems to me that it would be a good rule experiment, just like they are experimenting "restrict area" under the baskets.

Why do you believe that I believe you care what I think?

Yes. When you mean to be funny and do not express that through an obvious use of humor, then use a smilie - like this: :mad:


See - that was funny.

You're easily trained.

Polly wanna cracker?

You just made me laugh again. what a day!

An advice for you: stop using "we Jacka$$".

I wish you are as beautiful as your language is. By "your language", I do not mean English.

You are so cute. I only knew most people here were respectable, now I know they have layers too.

[Edited by ysong on Mar 23rd, 2005 at 08:37 PM]

The relationship between high pay and top of their trade is is direct. I believe the NBA implores supply-side economics, which advocates policies that raise capital and labor output by increasing the incentive to produce.

[/B][/QUOTE]Is it possible that you can get this translated to English and repost it?

I only knew most people here were respectful, now I know they have layers too.

[/B][/QUOTE]I'll lay you ten to one that you're right.

Of course, if you don't like the hours we can negotiate.

Is it possible that you can get this translated to English and repost it? [/B][/QUOTE]

We, sorry, I take that back, in my opionion, he deserves some credits by no using "we Jacka$$".

Editted version, eh?

Is it possible you deleted the part that might have made even the least bit of sense, and left this?

I'll lay you ten to one that you're right.

Of course, if you don't like the hours we can negotiate. [/B][/QUOTE]

Puh-leeze.

Only a fool would fling the blue sprockets but cats won't make door knobs sound like rust.

Yes, I editted it. My original post was "people here are respectable". then I realized that you were here too, so I added the word "most". So it became "most people here are respectable".

It seems to me that you can be easily trained too.

Is an adfad a good thing? :)

ysong, I've told you previously that your English is hurting your understanding of the rules and your communication with members of this forum. Insulting your fellow posters will not endear you to anyone.

I have to say I did not start the "insulting". I've been always respectful to those who helped me. But in the same time, "taking insults" is not why I am here.

I did not have any problems here before, until this month. Maybe it is a month of madness.

Thanks.

Is an adfad a bad thing?
mick

Actually it was "adfads". If I have to translate it into English, it is pretty much the same as "the weakest link".

Oh, then it's just a joke from television?
What is it?
mick

Ok, I see. You were only joking in your first post.

But if all the sudden you are surrounded by hostile remarks, it is hard for you to tell which one is benign and which one is malicious.

I'm not English professor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, and I still don't know WTH it means.

Neither does dictionary.com. :(

WOW !!!!

All this anger and the thread is still open. With the way things have been getting closed lately I am surprised this made it past the first page. ;-)

Are you glad that civialized disscussion eventually prevail on this board and that people realize insulting the fellow posters won't get them anywhere?

Thanks.

Nope

cmckenna,
I'm not sure anyone is angry.
But, I do not understand all the posters. :)
mick