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johnSandlin Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:42am

I do not believe there is a site that will list every official that is in the NCAA tournament, however just check boxscores everyday, and the officials should be listed.

I can say that all of the officials that worked a conference championship game get an automatic invite to the tournament.

Danvrapp Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:11pm

I don't think anyone, anywhere, except the officials and the persons who assigned them, know who's officiating what game.

An interesting (short) article found on ESPN regarding NCAA officials and that exact conflict of interest:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaato...ory?id=2014809

Adam Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:38pm

See the "hartzell not working" thread. His decision not to officiate in this tournament had nothing to do with any phantom "conflict of interest." He did it because he'd been asked to do games the same day UNI plays. It was a conflict of schedule, not of interest.
ESPN's reporting is horridly sloppy here. Interesting how they try to give themselves credit for taking a ref out of the tournament.

Back In The Saddle Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Snaqwells
See the "hartzell not working" thread. His decision not to officiate in this tournament had nothing to do with any phantom "conflict of interest." He did it because he'd been asked to do games the same day UNI plays. It was a conflict of schedule, not of interest.
ESPN's reporting is horridly sloppy here. Interesting how they try to give themselves credit for taking a ref out of the tournament.

We'll never know exactly why Hartzell bowed out. I'd be willing to be that the conflict of interest BS played a part in the decision. Both sides will say what benefits them in the media, but I'm willing to bet that both the NCAA and UNI wanted the story to go away. Even if there were no pressure on Hartzell from either of them, I'd bet that he considered the potential negative impact on his school when making the decision. :(

Adam Thu Mar 17, 2005 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Quote:

Originally posted by Snaqwells
See the "hartzell not working" thread. His decision not to officiate in this tournament had nothing to do with any phantom "conflict of interest." He did it because he'd been asked to do games the same day UNI plays. It was a conflict of schedule, not of interest.
ESPN's reporting is horridly sloppy here. Interesting how they try to give themselves credit for taking a ref out of the tournament.

We'll never know exactly why Hartzell bowed out. I'd be willing to be that the conflict of interest BS played a part in the decision. Both sides will say what benefits them in the media, but I'm willing to bet that both the NCAA and UNI wanted the story to go away. Even if there were no pressure on Hartzell from either of them, I'd bet that he considered the potential negative impact on his school when making the decision. :(

We can only go by what he said. I heard him on the radio this morning say specifically that it was solely about being able to be present in support of his teams. He's got wrestlers today and the basketball team tomorrow.
He stated explicitly that it had nothing to do with any of the crap going around. I think he's received enough support from the people that really matter (assignors, other officials, etc.) When asked about the folks on the national scale that might claim they got to him, he said they'd be wrong.

Brad Thu Mar 17, 2005 04:39pm

You can view a list of officials working the tournament at Officiating.com here: <b><a href="http://basketball.officiating.com/x/article/4302">NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Officials</a></b>

[Edited by Brad on Mar 17th, 2005 at 04:52 PM]

Back In The Saddle Thu Mar 17, 2005 04:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
You can view a list of officials working the tournament at Officiating.com here: <b><a href="http://basketball.officiating.com/x/article/4302">NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Officials</a></b>
Cool! :)

[Edited by Brad on Mar 17th, 2005 at 04:52 PM]

Brad Thu Mar 17, 2005 09:56pm

Our memberships and products help pay for this FREE site. Something to consider.

[Edited by Brad on Mar 17th, 2005 at 10:11 PM]

Dan_ref Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:15pm

Of course, the free content and traffic you get on this site promotes the pay site.

Just sayin'.

Brad Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:26pm

Sure. And it shouldn't be a surprise that we are trying to be profitable! :) That's the only way to offer quality officiating products and services to the market.

Mark Dexter Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:22pm

Quote:

Originally posted by johnSandlin

I can say that all of the officials that worked a conference championship game get an automatic invite to the tournament.

Are you sure about this?

I know each automatic bid conference is guaranteed at least one official from their regular staff to work the tourney, but does it extend to conference championships, too? (32 auto-bid conferences x 3 officials = 96 officials. Even with some overlap, that means there would be very few 'at-large' ref bids.)

ChrisSportsFan Fri Mar 18, 2005 08:57am

Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
You can view a list of officials working the tournament at Officiating.com here: <b><a href="http://basketball.officiating.com/x/article/4302">NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Officials</a></b>
Cool! :)

[Edited by Brad on Mar 17th, 2005 at 04:52 PM]

Besides paying, is there another place that has a list of the tourney officials? My wife has this big slob at her work who says he officiates D1 and I can't find him anywhere when I google him. He always name drops but I've checked with some of those people and they don't know him. I would like to print the list so she can shut him once and for all. This guy is so big he couldn't keep up with 3 on 3 half court.

aces88 Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:05am

Here are the officials who have worked so far:
 
Alabama A&M - Oakland: Bruce Benedict, Terry Wymer, Jeff Clark

Eastern Kentucky - Kentucky: Bill Gracey, John Higgins, Winston Stith
Wisconsin Milwaukee - Alabama: Bob Staffen, Gary Sanchez, Mike Thibodeaux
Pittsburgh - Pacific: Gary Maxwell, Mark Whitehead, William Covington
Niagara - Oklahoma: Bruce Benedict, Steve Morris, Tony Greene
Iowa - Cincinnati: Doug Sirmons, Mark Reischling, Tom Lopes
Pennsylvania - Boston College: Antonio Petty, Mike Eggers, Tom O'Neill
Montana - Washington: Guy Pagano, John Corio, Pat Driscoll
UTEP - Utah: Art Mcdonald, JD Collins, Bob Donato
UT-Chattanooga - Wake Forest: Dave Libbey, Ray Perone, Steve Skiles
Nevada - Texas: John Hughes, Ken Ditty, Mike Kitts
Utah State - Arizona: Donnie Gray, Doug Shows, Mike Stuart
Winthrop - Gonzaga: Les Jones, Steve Welmer, Tim Clougherty
Creighton - West Virginia: Gerald Boudreaux, Jeff Nichols, Pat Adams
Fairleigh Dickinson - Illinois: Bert Smith, David Hall, Fran Connolly
UAB - LSU: Brian O'Connell, Jim Burr, Sid Rodeheffer
UCLA - Texas Tech: John Cahill, Mike Wood, Zelton Steed

kenref1 Fri Mar 18, 2005 01:11pm

I just wanted to throw out a great job to the officials who called the Illinois game last night. They did an excellent job. I hope they go far in the tournament. Fairleigh Dickinson - Illinois: Bert Smith, David Hall, Fran Connolly

Go Illini!

TriggerMN Fri Mar 18, 2005 05:40pm

Aces-->

Would you be willing to continue a day-by-day recap of the officials for each game in this thread? It's much appreciated, and sure would be easier than having to click on every box score each night.

lrpalmer3 Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:38pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by johnSandlin

I can say that all of the officials that worked a conference championship game get an automatic invite to the tournament.

Are you sure about this?

I know each automatic bid conference is guaranteed at least one official from their regular staff to work the tourney, but does it extend to conference championships, too? (32 auto-bid conferences x 3 officials = 96 officials. Even with some overlap, that means there would be very few 'at-large' ref bids.)

Conference coordinators nominate officials from their conference. It makes sense that the officials being nominated are also the ones chosen for the conference championship game. I had not heard about "automatic bids".

lrpalmer3 Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:42pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

Besides paying, is there another place that has a list of the tourney officials? My wife has this big slob at her work who says he officiates D1 and I can't find him anywhere when I google him. He always name drops but I've checked with some of those people and they don't know him. I would like to print the list so she can shut him once and for all. This guy is so big he couldn't keep up with 3 on 3 half court.

There is no complete list of D1 officials. Tell me again though, why do you care?

JugglingReferee Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:10pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
My wife has this big slob at her work who says he officiates D1 and I can't find him anywhere when I google him.
D1 what? Donut eating?

ChrisSportsFan Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:03am

Quote:

Originally posted by lrpalmer3
Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

Besides paying, is there another place that has a list of the tourney officials? My wife has this big slob at her work who says he officiates D1 and I can't find him anywhere when I google him. He always name drops but I've checked with some of those people and they don't know him. I would like to print the list so she can shut him once and for all. This guy is so big he couldn't keep up with 3 on 3 half court.

There is no complete list of D1 officials. Tell me again though, why do you care?

Because this moran runs around the office talking out of both sides of his mouth and she wants to shut him up.

RookieDude Sat Mar 19, 2005 03:46pm

I haven't seen Dick Cartmell's name come up.
He has done the NCAA championship game the last couple of years.

Redneck Ref Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:20am

Quote:

Originally posted by RookieDude
I haven't seen Dick Cartmell's name come up.
He has done the NCAA championship game the last couple of years.

They had him listed as Bob Cartmell in the Villanova vs New Mexico game.

aces88 Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:06am

Updated List
 
Sorry about the late response...I went on a Boy Scout camping trip with my son. Fortunately, we had a cabin with power and one of the scout leaders came prepared with a portable TV, so we got to see most of the West Virginia-Wake Forest game. Anyway, here is the list for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Note that the UConn-NC State game lists four officials. Steve Olsen injured his knee and had to be replaced by Jamie Luckie in the second half.

North Carolina St - Charlotte Carlos Villanueva, Ed Hightower, Mike Scyphers
Ohio - Florida Gerry Pollard, Larry Rose, Paul Faia
Iowa St - Minnesota Bill Vinovich, Carl Hess, Joe Lindsay
SE Louisiana - Oklahoma St Jim Haney, Pat Evans, Terry Moore
Central Florida - Connecticut Glenn Mayborg, Jamie Luckie, Steve Olson
New Mexico - Villanova Dick Cartmell, Duke Edsall, Paul Janssen
Oakland - North Carolina Jim Stupin, Mike Nance, Ted Hillary
St. Mary's - Southern Illinois Bryan Kersey, Rick Randall, Ted Valentine
Lousiana Lafayette - Louisville Bob Adams, Charles Range, Reggie Greenwood
Vermont - Syracuse Reggie Cofer, Tim Nestor, Verne Harris
Northern Iowa - Wisconsin Frank Scagliotta, Jeff Clark, John Clougherty
Delaware St - Duke George Washington, Joe Demayo, Scott Thornley
Old Dominion - Michigan St Curtis Shaw, J.B. Caldwell, Tracy Woodson
Geo Washington - Georgia Tech Bruce Hicks, Tim Higgins, Terry Moore
Bucknell - Kansas Randy McCall, Ray Natili, Tom Wood
Mississippi St - Stanford Ed Corbett, Eddie Jackson, Eric Curry

Texas Tech - Gonzaga J. D. Collins, Tony Greene, Bob Donato
Pacific - Washington Donnee Gray, Mark Whitehead, Mike Stuart
Utah - Oklahoma John Cahill, Mike Wood, Zelton Steed
Wisconsin Milwaukee - Boston College Dave Libbey, Ray Perone, Tom O'Neill
Nevada - Illinois John Higgins, Ken Ditty, Mike Kitts
UAB - Arizona Doug Shows, Jim Burr, Pat Driscoll
Cincinnati - Kentucky David Hall, Mark Reischling, Tom Lopes
West Virginia - Wake Forest Gerald Boudreaux, Mike Sanzere, Steve Skiles

Georgia Tech - Louisville Paul Janssen, Reggie Greenwood, Tim Higgins
Iowa State - North Carolina Eddie Jackson, Scott Thornley, Ted Hillary
North Carolina State - Connecticut Curtis Shaw, Ed Hightower, Steve Olson (Jamie Luckie)
Villanova - Florida Dick Cartmell, Duke Edsall, Larry Rose
Bucknell - Wisconsin John Clougherty, Randy McCall, Tom Wood
Mississippi State - Duke Carl Hess, Ed Corbett, Joe Lindsay
Vermont - Michigan State Mike Scyphers, Reggie Cofer, Verne Harris
Southern Illinois - Oklahoma State Frank Scagliotta, Jim Haney, Ted Valentine

aces88 Fri Mar 25, 2005 08:20am

Officials for Thursday 3/24:
 
Louisville - Washington Karl Hess, Larry Rose, Frank Scagliotta
Wisconsin Milwaukee - Illinois Tom Lopes, Tim Clougherty, Pat Driscoll
West Virginia - Texas Tech John Clougherty, Mark Reischling, Tom Wood
Arizona - Oklahoma State Ted Valentine, Duke Edsall, Jim Haney

Because of the holiday weekend, I will not be online. I will post Friday, Saturday and Sunday officials on Monday morning.

ChrisSportsFan Fri Mar 25, 2005 09:58am

This fool just told her yesterday that he was working the Final Four. I haven't even been able to have dreams of working final four games yet.

Back In The Saddle Fri Mar 25, 2005 05:05pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
This fool just told her yesterday that he was working the Final Four. I haven't even been able to have dreams of working final four games yet.
He very well may be working the final four. At the sports bar down the street where he moonlights as a dishwasher. :P

jeffpea Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:14pm

There is no truth to the previous statement that officials who work a conference championship game are "automatically" given NCAA tournament assignments. Each conference is allowed to select one official from its' staff; those officials are guaranteed of an assignment. The remaining officials are chosen based on their performance during the season (by Hank Nichols and those that assist him)

Of the 99 officials who work the 1st round (33 games - including the "Opening Round" game in Dayton, OH), 48 are selected to work the 2nd Round (based on their performance in the 1st round at each sub-regional site). On the following Mon/Tue, 36 officials (that worked the 2nd Round)are notified of their assignments for the Regional Semi's and Regional Finals. The Mon/Tue prior to the Final Four -10 officials (qty. 3 3-man crews plus an alternate) that worked the Regional Semi's and Finals are selected. For example, last year J.D. Collins was the Final Four alternate (for all 3 games); he worked the Ok. St vs. Pitt. Regional Semi-Final game. This year he worked the WVU vs Louisville Regional Final game - therefore, he is one of the 36 officials eligible to be selected for the Final Four.

aces88 Mon Mar 28, 2005 09:00am

Updated List
 
Here are the officials from Friday, Saturday and Sunday:

Michigan State - Duke Dave Libbey, Mike Kitts, Reggie Greenwood
North Carolina State - Wisconsin Ed Corbett, Joe Lindsey, Verne Harris
Utah - Kentucky Curtis Shaw, Reggie Cofer, Steve Welmer
Villanova - North Carolina David Hall, Gerry Pollard, Tom O'Neill

Arizona - Illinois Doug Shows, Randy McCall, Bob Donato
West Virginia - Louisville Ed Hightower, J. D. Collins, Tim Higgins

Wisconsin - North Carolina Bruce Hicks, Dick Cartmell, John Cahill
Michigan State - Kentucky Jim Burr, John Higgins, Mark Whitehead

johnSandlin Mon Mar 28, 2005 09:31am

ChrisSportsFan,

Are you by chance from Michigan? The reason I ask is I know an official here in Michigan that works basketball and pulls the same kind of stuff you were referring too with this other guy.

It makes no sense. Who is the guy trying to fool? The guy I know is even worse in baseball because he goes around telling people that he worked in the Majors with Froemming and this list goes on and on.

Kinda like the energizer bunny.


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