Hi. Non-ref fan here trying to figure something out, and a half-hour of googling has come up empty, so i'm coming to the experts.

is there ever a time under any of the rules systems that a player can have her foot on the block during the free throw?

My understanding of the Men's NCAA rules is that the opponent of the shooter occupies the space between baseline and block, and he can't have his foot on the block. For women's, the lowest opponent occupies the space above the block, and she can't have her foot on the block.

What is the NFHS rule?

I vaguely recall that there was a proposal to change the NFHS rule last year (to match the NCAA women's, except you could have your foot on the block?) but it failed.

thanks much.

Fed (NFHS):

You cannot have your foot on the block and you are correct about NCAA-M and NCAA-W.

We get a few non-ref fans here every once in a while. Seldom are they as neutral as you. We like the way you did this. You're welcome here anytime.

Thanks much. Definitely trying to be neutral -- trying to learn. I run a website for women's ball, and occasionally link to this board. Hoping to spread some knowledge to the fans and coaches out there.

(I must also admit that before I started reading this board, I may have occasionally yelled for an "over the back" foul.)

while i'm at it, a quick follow-up --

do the Fed rules allow 6 or 5 players on the lane for a free throw?

thanks again...

Either would work. At most, 6 are allowed. The least is 2.

W-hoops,
Welcome to the forum -- and thanks for the compliment about us being "experts." Just remember the two definitions for experts

1. A former drip under pressure.
2. Anyone who is more than 20 miles from home.

RR

No, women's hoops is NOT correct. (No offense women's hoops, just didn't want you to leave with the wrong interp)

Under NCAA Men's rules, the opponent in the first space CAN have have his foot on the block.

As for NCAA Women, I'm not sure and I'm not looking it up. :)

Quite honestly, the NCAA rule book drives me crazy when I try to look things up. I really don't like their method of combining the rule book and "case book" together.

Here's a link to the NCAA Rule Book.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ball_rules.pdf

Speaking of experts,

How many experts does it take to change a lightbulb?
Answer - Five. One to change the bulb and four to tell him/her how much better they could have done it. :)


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I am a bomb expert; if you see me running try to keep up.

RE: NCAA Women
The first legal lane space (identified as "above the block") does not include the block. ;)
Feet must be in the space; thus, no feet on the block.
mick

Confused, so was my thinking correct?

W_H said that Men couldn't stand on the block.

You said W_H was correct.

That's wrong. Men can stand on the block.

Unconfused now?

<I>Tanner [in response] - "Fed (NFHS): You cannot have your foot on the block and you are correct about NCAA-M and NCAA-W.</I>

Seems right, Tanner. ;)

NFHS and Women - Foot on block is illegal
Men - Foot on block is legal for first two defenders.

mick

Ow!!!
Dan's head is gonna explode! :eek:
mick

Don't worry Mick, I'm OK.

Just don't call me a thug, OK?

What's over the back :D!!

;) Thanks, my bad. Some reason I thought her orginal post said they could. Sorry

That's what my boss does to me when she thinks I'm spending too much time on the internet. :D

Okay. But, I don't remember thuggesting that.
mick

Ok, heres another example, why in the heck would NCAA mens allow being on the block?

What is the point of this having this rule different, when was the rule changed and why?

4 1 rulebook!

The block was created to give the player in the first space more of an advantage, in that it pushed the player in the second space further from the board. So if the player in the first space wants to put his foot in the block, why shouldn't be be able to?

Fine by me, that is wonderfull, but why is it ok for NCAA mens and not for HS or whoever else? It's no wonder there are so confused fans / coaches / players with these subtle differences.

4 1 book.

mopar60,
If the NCAA had confused coaches and players, I'll bet they wouldn't have them for long.
mick

Ah, I get it now, they do know the rules and they only act like they don't after 50 % of the calls.

Pretty clever, I say! LOL!

I should have been more clear, I was referring more to the younger players and JH type coaches and fans. I guess that doesn't matter really, even if there WAS only one rule book many would still have trouble.

I digress.

2 or 3 books OK.

What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?


If the Hokey-Pokey is really what it's all about, then we need to re-examine our religious beliefs or look into a career change.

My guess is that it's the same reason NFHS doesn't allow the players to enter the lane until the ball hits iron or glass.