A few rules

[lukealex]

I've heard a few rules interpretted differently between officials lately. Here are a few of them, what is the correct interpretation?

1. Over and back: Throw in from near half court, offensive player jumps from frontcourt, catches ball in mid-air, lands in backcourt. Is this over and back?

2. Player is out of bounds without ball. Must player have both feet back in-bounds before touching the ball?

3. Top of backboard, how is the ball determined dead on a missed shot that goes over the backboard, touches the top and comes back into play, etc.

4. Can I player catch his own shot if the shot is an air ball?

[ref18]

Originally posted by lukealex
I've heard a few rules interpretted differently between officials lately. Here are a few of them, what is the correct interpretation?

1. Over and back: Throw in from near half court, offensive player jumps from frontcourt, catches ball in mid-air, lands in backcourt. Is this over and back?

Yes

2. Player is out of bounds without ball. Must player have both feet back in-bounds before touching the ball?

No

3. Top of backboard, how is the ball determined dead on a missed shot that goes over the backboard, touches the top and comes back into play, etc.

If it touches the backboard supports it is out of bounds. The top of the backboard is in bounds.

I believe it is out of bounds if it goes over a rectangular backboard, but I'm not too sure on that one without my rulebook with me.

4. Can I player catch his own shot if the shot is an air ball?

Yes

[gordon30307]

Originally posted by lukealex
I've heard a few rules interpretted differently between officials lately. Here are a few of them, what is the correct interpretation?

1. Over and back: Throw in from near half court, offensive player jumps from frontcourt, catches ball in mid-air, lands in backcourt. Is this over and back?

2. Player is out of bounds without ball. Must player have both feet back in-bounds before touching the ball?

3. Top of backboard, how is the ball determined dead on a missed shot that goes over the backboard, touches the top and comes back into play, etc.

4. Can I player catch his own shot if the shot is an air ball?

1. No Must have team control for a back court violation. No team control on a throw in.
2. Yes
3. Top, sides and bottom are in play. Ball touches supports or wire or goes over backboard (rectangular) ball OB.
4. Yes Provided it's a try or tap.

[ref18]

Originally posted by gordon30307

1. No Must have team control for a back court violation. No team control on a throw in.

Front court control is established when the offensive player catches the ball while he still has front court status.

[canuckrefguy]

I'm wondering about this rule interpretation from NCAA, then....

Rule 9-12-6

"A player shall be permitted to be the first to secure control of the ball after a jump ball or throw-in while both feet are off the playing court and the player lands with one or both feet in the back court."

Is this not the exception to the "you are where you are until you get where you're going" rule?

[ref18]

Now I gotta go check the fed rulebook

[Maverick]

Originally posted by ref18
Front court control is established when the offensive player catches the ball while he still has front court status.

Not on a throw in. No violation here.

[Adam]

Originally posted by Maverick

Not on a throw in. No violation here.

Right. A player whose team is not in control is allowed to jump from his fc, secure the ball in the air, and land anywhere with a normal landing. It doesn't matter which foot lands first. This would apply to throw-ins, long rebounds, and defensive players.

[mick]

Originally posted by gordon30307
2. Player is out of bounds without ball. Must player have both feet back in-bounds before touching the ball?

2. Yes

Reference?

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

Right. A player whose team is not in control is allowed to jump from his fc, secure the ball in the air, and land anywhere with a normal landing. It doesn't matter which foot lands first. This would apply to throw-ins, long rebounds, and defensive players.

This is not a violation on a throw in, but it's sure to get the fans and coach up off their seat.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by gordon30307

2. Player is out of bounds without ball. Must player have both feet back in-bounds before touching the ball?

2. Yes

This is posilutely, absotively incorrect. Not only that, it's wrong.

[tjones1]

As BktBallRef said in a different post: "Had this been an NFL player, you would have been correct."

[Edited by tjones1 on Feb 25th, 2005 at 05:22 PM]

[zebraman]

Originally posted by lukealex
1. Over and back: Throw in from near half court, offensive player jumps from frontcourt, catches ball in mid-air, lands in backcourt. Is this over and back?


No. See Case Play 9.9.1 Situation B (c). It's your exact play.


2. Player is out of bounds without ball. Must player have both feet back in-bounds before touching the ball?


No. See Case Play 4.35.2 (c) for your exact play.


3. Top of backboard, how is the ball determined dead on a missed shot that goes over the backboard, touches the top and comes back into play, etc.


As soon as the ball passes over the backboard or hits any kind of support or guide wire, it's out of bounds.
Rule 7.1 Article 2.


4. Can I player catch his own shot if the shot is an air ball?

Yes, player control ends on a shot attempt.


Z

[Ed Maeder]

Good job Zebraman. Just goes to show that even simple calls can be made into mistakes.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by zebraman

As soon as the ball passes over the backboard or hits any kind of support or guide wire, it's out of bounds.
Rule 7.1 Article 2.

Z [/B]

Ok, I've had this discussion (ok, argument) with one of my partners before about this rule. I think we're all in agreement if a ball, say, bounces off the rim, goes over the top of the (rectangular) backboard, and goes behind it, it's out-of-bounds. Is it the same going in the opposite direction? For example, a player is diving over the baseline under the basket trying to save a ball from going out, and flips it up behind him where it goes from behind the backboard, over the top, and out to about the free throw line (all, of course, without hitting any supports or wires). Is that a violation as well?