Another backcourt violation question

[edge62]

After a made basket a player receives the in bounds pass, proceeds to dribble up the court, decides for whatever reason to pick up his dribble while straddling the time line. One foot in the front court, one in the back court. The foot in the front court is the first touch into the front court. Violation?

[Adam]

Originally posted by edge62
After a made basket a player receives the in bounds pass, proceeds to dribble up the court, decides for whatever reason to pick up his dribble while straddling the time line. One foot in the front court, one in the back court. The foot in the front court is the first touch into the front court. Violation?

No. If, however, he picks up his backcourt foot (FC foot now the pivot foot) and puts it back down in the BC, you have a violation.
Player has BC status until he is completely in the FC. For a non-dribbler, that means the only thing he's touching is the FC area (one or both feet with nothing touching the BC). For a dribbler, that means both feet and the ball.

[mopar60]

This would be a travelling violation, correct?

[mopar60]

To expand if he lifts hi FC foot (pivot) it is a travel, if he lifts his BC foot he better place it in the front court or it is over and back, is that correct?

Gettin there.

[TimTaylor]

Originally posted by mopar60
This would be a travelling violation, correct?

Nope - back court violation. Even if he moved the front court foot prior to picking up the back court foot & then touching it down again in back court, I'd still probably call it a back court violation, although technically you could also call it a travel at that point.

Note: Original post did not indicate front court was the pivot foot - only that dribble was picked up when straddling the division line.

[Edited by TimTaylor on Feb 24th, 2005 at 02:23 PM]

[Smitty]

Originally posted by mopar60
To expand if he lifts hi FC foot (pivot) it is a travel, if he lifts his BC foot he better place it in the front court or it is over and back, is that correct?

Gettin there.

It's not a travel till he puts the pivot foot down again after lifting it. Lifting it is nothing.

[ref18]

Originally posted by mopar60
To expand if he lifts hi FC foot (pivot) it is a travel, if he lifts his BC foot he better place it in the front court or it is over and back, is that correct?

Gettin there.

Nope and nope. If he lifts the pivot foot, he must pass or shoot the ball. It is only a travel if he starts a dribble after lifting the pivot foot, or if the pivot foot touches the ground again with him still in control of the ball.

In order to call a backcourt violation, he needs to acheive front court status. So I take it the ball and his front foot already have touched the front court, so his back foot must also touch in the front court. If he just picks up his back foot and puts it back down in the BC then there is no violation.

[mick]

Originally posted by TimTaylor

Nope - back court violation. Even if he moved the front court foot prior to picking up the back court foot & then touching it down again in back court, I'd still probably call it a back court violation, although technically you could also call it a travel at that point.

Note: Original post did not indicate front court was the pivot foot - only that dribble was picked up when straddling the division line.

[Edited by TimTaylor on Feb 24th, 2005 at 02:23 PM]

What are you folks talkin' about?
mick

[Smitty]

Originally posted by ref18

In order to call a backcourt violation, he needs to acheive front court status. So I take it the ball and his front foot already have touched the front court, so his back foot must also touch in the front court. If he just picks up his back foot and puts it back down in the BC then there is no violation.

This is wrong.

[mopar60]

Ok, hold on a minute, 4-4.6 NFHS says :"During a dribble from backcourt to frontcourt, the ball is in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the dribbler touch the court entirely in the front court.

So, since he ended his dribble he does not have to have both feet in front court to gain front court status, tjust the one that is in front court (pivot foot)? He just has to lift his backcourt foot and will gain frontcourt status. Is that right?

Ok, assuming that is right, how about this, the backcourt dribbler dribbles along timeline with both feet in front court but the ball never touches front court, he then brings either or both feet back into backcourt. I understand no violation here. Right?

[Smitty]

Originally posted by mopar60
Ok, hold on a minute, 4-4.6 NFHS says :"During a dribble from backcourt to frontcourt, the ball is in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the dribbler touch the court entirely in the front court.

So, since he ended his dribble he does not have to have both feet in front court to gain front court status, tjust the one that is in front court (pivot foot)? He just has to lift his backcourt foot and will gain frontcourt status. Is that right?

That's right.

Ok, assuming that is right, how about this, the backcourt dribbler dribbles along timeline with both feet in front court but the ball never touches front court, he then brings either or both feet back into backcourt. I understand no violation here. Right?

As long as he's still dribbling that is correct.