Interesting situation.

[Adam]

Jerry,
I retract my original opinion and concur with you on this. I think it's a 3.

[Wearin' Stripes]

Case Book pg 34 5.2.1 SITUTATION C

A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The ball is legally touched by B1 who is in the two-point area. The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket.

RULING: Three points are scored since the legal touching was by the defense adn the ball was thrown from behind the three-point line.

[FrankHtown]

Ok..I'll erase 4.40.4 B on pg 31 out of my casebook.

[mopar60]

Aw Shucks! The heck with the rule book, common sense prevails! "It never was a try coach, it was clearly a pass and not a try, a thrown ball can be a pass or a try, in this case it was not a try, so it must have been a pass, you get 2. Now go put some ice on that kids head."

How's that sound.

[Adam]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
Ok..I'll erase 4.40.4 B on pg 31 out of my casebook.

Okay, my case book is at home. Do you mind telling me exactly what it says? Otherwise, I'll respond from home later tonight.

[FrankHtown]

4.40.4 sit B..A1's 3 point try is short and below ring level when it hits the shoulder of a) A2; or b) B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket.

Ruling: The 3 point try ended when it was obviously short, and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, 2 points are scored in both a) and b)

[Adam]

Interesting. 4.40.4 B and 5.2.1 C seem to be in direct contradiction of one another.

[FrankHtown]

I think it comes down to: When does a try for a 3 end? If you take the approach I do, that when the pass does NOT have a chance to go in the basket, because either it is already below the rim, or is so far away from the basket that it does not have a chance to go in, then is deflected by B, it's a 2 pointer.

If on the other hand, you feel the pass had a chance to go in the basket, was not below the level of the ring, and B deflected it in, give them 3.

[RollTide]

4-40-4

If you read the entire rule, "The try ends when the throw is successful, the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead."

The thrown ball touched the defender, not the floor.



[Edited by RollTide on Feb 22nd, 2005 at 02:51 PM]

[bradfordwilkins]

So lets say we got a young Roger Clemons on Team A.

A1 is throwing it in from out of bounds at the division line, hits B1 and goes into the basket?

Hmmmmm

a Throw in is a different story because the thrower is OOB. I know there is a Case for that in the Case Book.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Snaqwells
Interesting. 4.40.4 B and 5.2.1 C seem to be in direct contradiction of one another.

Not if you add the "intent" of the rule.

The implication of 5.2.1 is that the ball was thrown towards the basket in such a path that it may or may not be a shot. This rule was added to remove the judgement from the call. If the throw could have been a try and it had a chance to go in and does, it counts as 3.

In 4.40.4B, the ball, just prior to being touched by the defender had absolutely no chance of going in in flight (it was below the rim and coming down).

Regardless of the poorly written case plays, you have to know the situation they were trying to address.

[Edited by Camron Rust on Feb 22nd, 2005 at 07:33 PM]

[Adam]

So I should continue to trust my instincts.
This makes sense.

2 pts.