headgear

RookieDude · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 09:34am

Rule 3-5-3
"Equipment shall not be modified from its' original manufactured state and shall be worn in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn."

Headbands have been a topic of discussion here before...but maybe it will be a slow day...so here goes.

Had a District playoff game last night out of my association's normal assigning area.
In other words...I was in someone else's house.
3-whistle crew...I was U1...observing players during warm-ups. I noticed a player had his cloth headband around his neck. I walked over to the R, who BTW is a very good official from his association and has gone to state several times, and said, "Hey, Moses...what's your thoughts on this dude with the headband around his neck?"
He said, "No rule against it, he can wear it anywhere he wants." I said, "OK" and walked back to my spot.
(I didn't see the player wear the headband that way during the game...so it wasn't really an issue)

We will be working another district game tonight...in my neck of the woods.
I'm the R...headbands a pre-game topic?

Man...pretty sad when all I can think of his headbands to talk about.

I re-read my post...just to clarify...I will be working with Moses (last night's R) tonight...we get along good from past tournaments...maybe I will have a little fun with him in the pre-game.

[Edited by RookieDude on Feb 18th, 2005 at 09:59 AM]

rainmaker · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 11:44am

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Originally posted by RookieDude
Rule 3-5-3
"Equipment shall not be modified from its' original manufactured state and shall be worn in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn."

Headbands have been a topic of discussion here before...but maybe it will be a slow day...so here goes.

Had a District playoff game last night out of my association's normal assigning area.
In other words...I was in someone else's house.
3-whistle crew...I was U1...observing players during warm-ups. I noticed a player had his cloth headband around his neck. I walked over to the R, who BTW is a very good official from his association and has gone to state several times, and said, "Hey, Moses...what's your thoughts on this dude with the headband around his neck?"
He said, "No rule against it, he can wear it anywhere he wants." I said, "OK" and walked back to my spot.
(I didn't see the player wear the headband that way during the game...so it wasn't really an issue)

We will be working another district game tonight...in my neck of the woods.
I'm the R...headbands a pre-game topic?

Man...pretty sad when all I can think of his headbands to talk about.

I re-read my post...just to clarify...I will be working with Moses (last night's R) tonight...we get along good from past tournaments...maybe I will have a little fun with him in the pre-game.

I'd say, "Around here, it's interpreted that they're not legal, even in warm-ups."

Or is that too pissy of me?

#3 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 11:53am

I would approach the coach (or even the kid) and ask him if the kid plans to wear it appropriately during the game, and if so, then I wouldn't bother unless it isn't worn appropriately when he comes on the floor during the game. I had the same situation where girls were wearing prewrap around their neck, and told me they planned to wear them as headbands (to hold their hair in place). My partner and I agreed to let it go unless they stepped on the floor with it still around their necks.

ChuckElias · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 11:53am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
I'd say, "Around here, it's interpreted that they're not legal, even in warm-ups."

Or is that too pissy of me?

Maybe. I'd just say, "Looks like a fuzzy necklace to me". Headbands are legal. Neckbands aren't.

Jurassic Referee · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 12:40pm

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Originally posted by Ref Ump Welsch
I would approach the coach (or even the kid) and ask him if the kid plans to wear it appropriately during the game, and if so, then I wouldn't bother unless it isn't worn appropriately when he comes on the floor during the game. I had the same situation where girls were wearing prewrap around their neck, and told me they planned to wear them as headbands (to hold their hair in place). My partner and I agreed to let it go unless they stepped on the floor with it still around their necks.

Prewrap is not legal to wear, even during warm-ups.

rockyroad · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 12:43pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Ref Ump Welsch
I would approach the coach (or even the kid) and ask him if the kid plans to wear it appropriately during the game, and if so, then I wouldn't bother unless it isn't worn appropriately when he comes on the floor during the game. I had the same situation where girls were wearing prewrap around their neck, and told me they planned to wear them as headbands (to hold their hair in place). My partner and I agreed to let it go unless they stepped on the floor with it still around their necks.

Prewrap is not legal to wear, even during warm-ups.

It is under NCAAW rules...

Jurassic Referee · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 12:53pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Ref Ump Welsch
I would approach the coach (or even the kid) and ask him if the kid plans to wear it appropriately during the game, and if so, then I wouldn't bother unless it isn't worn appropriately when he comes on the floor during the game. I had the same situation where girls were wearing prewrap around their neck, and told me they planned to wear them as headbands (to hold their hair in place). My partner and I agreed to let it go unless they stepped on the floor with it still around their necks.

Prewrap is not legal to wear, even during warm-ups.

It is under NCAAW rules...

I stand corrected for NCAAW rules.

rainmaker · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 12:54pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Ref Ump Welsch
I would approach the coach (or even the kid) and ask him if the kid plans to wear it appropriately during the game, and if so, then I wouldn't bother unless it isn't worn appropriately when he comes on the floor during the game. I had the same situation where girls were wearing prewrap around their neck, and told me they planned to wear them as headbands (to hold their hair in place). My partner and I agreed to let it go unless they stepped on the floor with it still around their necks.

Prewrap is not legal to wear, even during warm-ups.

Even around the hair? Well, maybe not, but it's pretty hard to tell the difference between pre-wrap and a bona fide narrow headband. I don't check.

Jurassic Referee · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 01:03pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Ref Ump Welsch
I would approach the coach (or even the kid) and ask him if the kid plans to wear it appropriately during the game, and if so, then I wouldn't bother unless it isn't worn appropriately when he comes on the floor during the game. I had the same situation where girls were wearing prewrap around their neck, and told me they planned to wear them as headbands (to hold their hair in place). My partner and I agreed to let it go unless they stepped on the floor with it still around their necks.

Prewrap is not legal to wear, even during warm-ups.

Even around the hair? Well, maybe not, but it's pretty hard to tell the difference between pre-wrap and a bona fide narrow headband. I don't check.

Even around the hair.

The only exceptions to the "headwear" rule in FED rules are actual headbands that meet the written specifications of the exception and rubber/cloth(elastic) bands.

I don't think that it's a biggie, but until the NFHS lists prewrap under the exceptions......

RookieDude · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 01:10pm

I'm going to use something along the lines of what rainmaker and Chuck said...

"Around here it looks like a fuzzy necklace." yea, I like that.

I'll say it with a smile and go easy with the "pissy" attitude.

myersca · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 01:17pm

The headband around the neck may technically be legal, but it's not safe. If someone grabbed that neck band, he could be choked, whiplashed, etc.

Why not use preventive officiating and tell him it has to be around his head or not at all during warm ups...that way you wont have to stop play during the game to tell him, and you will avoid any conflict.

That's how I'd do it anyways.

Red_Killian · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 01:49pm

What is prewrap???

Mark Dexter · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 04:50pm

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Originally posted by Red_Killian
What is prewrap???

A musical style from the late 80's - after funk, but before P. Diddy.

M&M Guy · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 04:57pm

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter

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Originally posted by Red_Killian
What is prewrap???

A musical style from the late 80's - after funk, but before P. Diddy.

Good one!

#15 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 18, 2005, 05:01pm

If prewrap rolled is not considered permitted headgear, what can I allow for girls to keep their hair in place? I'm not the only one that allows it. Heck, some of the upper level varsity officials here allow it as well. I'd rather prewrap than a bandana or a sweatband worn around the back part of the head where it could be more dangerous than it's "normal" place.

By the way, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, it's that elastic thing that goes on before athletic tape.