Referees who coach

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by rockyroad

What an old, tired, worn-out comment...everyone makes decisions on what to call and not call in every single game they officiate...even Smitty (unless his games">games are three hour long marathons)...every time we choose to not call something because it had no impact on the play or the game, someone can say we are "ignoring the rule"...and my response would be "Yup...on that play I sure did"...that's what judgement is all about.

Well said, Rocky! Thanks!

My point was, if you call 3 seconds, you should call it at 3 seconds like the rule book says. Not 4, not 5, not using peripheral vision, not because it's in your area, because it is the rule. Gimma a break.

My point was that 3 seconds should not be a priority call!

I have been watching NCAA Bball for, well I'm 38 and have watched Bball as a ritual since I can remember, and have NEVER seen 3 seconds called that I can remember! That should say something about 3 seconds!

[I'msureofit]

...well I'm 38 and have watched Bball as a ritual since I can remember, and have NEVER seen 3 seconds called that I can remember! That should say something about 3 seconds!

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NEVER (in caps nonetheless)?? Rather strong assertion for a call I've observed in basketball many times in my 45 years. Then and now regardless of the level of play. Not a priority call? Maybe, but I would argue that camping out gives the offensive player a definite advantage by being able to shoot from the highest percentage area on the court and, be in one of the most advantageous areas on the court for a rebound or tip in/put back. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you but I think there is some measureable water underneath what I'm asserting here.

[stmaryrams]

As a newer official, I do put an emphasis on specific parts of my game. Looking for traveling, hand checks, illegal screens or whatever violation I seem to be having a problem calling lately. I could work 20 years, as some of you have, and still have a differing opinion with half the gym with every block/charge call. I have seen several three second calls in NCAA this year in the Big Ten. But it still comes down to preventative officiating. If I can warn a player to get out the the lane or get their hands off we get a much better game flow. I had a game last night with no fouls called in a quarter and I had a game last week where all we did was walk from end to end to shoot free throws because the players would not get their hands off each other. A well played game is always more fun to work.

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by I'msureofit
...well I'm 38 and have watched Bball as a ritual since I can remember, and have NEVER seen 3 seconds called that I can remember! That should say something about 3 seconds!

NEVER (in caps nonetheless)?? Rather strong assertion for a call I've observed in basketball many times in my 45 years. Then and now regardless of the level of play. Not a priority call? Maybe, but I would argue that camping out gives the offensive player a definite advantage by being able to shoot from the highest percentage area on the court and, be in one of the most advantageous areas on the court for a rebound or tip in/put back. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you but I think there is some measureable water underneath what I'm asserting here. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think I said NEVER that I can remember, Imsureofit!

And yes I agree it is a definate advantage to be hanging out in the lane and it should be called in certain situations.

I have just seen it called so many times this year and nobody was in the lane when it was called, or the ball was in the air on a shot etc..

Maybe I have just been disguested by the way the rule has been interpreted by fellow officials this year that has made me reluctant to want to make the call.

I will call it when it is definately the call that needs to be made.

And definately not because the opposing coach is screaming 3 seconds from the opposite end of the court.

[I'msureofit]

Thump. And, yeah, I too have seen this called made incorrectly many times; so frustrating for game flow outside of just being criminal on a call that's not too hard to make. Also, I'm not attempting to explain why the 3 second rule exists but rather why I can see that it exists. That may be a redundant statement. Sorry, hope you get my drift.

Oh, and my usual reply, when time permits, to coaches who like to help me call the game is a sarcastic thanks for the help coach; they usually get it but some still continue until I have to up the anty.