Referees who coach

[lrpalmer3]

Originally posted by Smitty

Which other rules do you all choose to ignore?

I don't ignore 3 seconds, but like Thump suggested, I choose to put emphasis on other things like offensive screeners and contact made trying to establish post positioning. Don't call it ignoring, call it prioritizing.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by lrpalmer3

I don't ignore 3 seconds, but like Thump suggested, I choose to put emphasis on other things like offensive screeners and contact made trying to establish post positioning. Don't call it ignoring, call it prioritizing.

If it makes you feel better to look at it that way, knock yourselves out.

[I'msureofit]

players but rather the offensive players. Sorry for the confusion, I didn't read Rainmaker's post carefully enough as to whether it was being referred as offensive or defensive players in the paint.

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by Smitty

Which other rules do you all choose to ignore?

Would you really like a list, or were you being sarcastic Smitty?

I was simply saying that as an official, looking for other infractions or violations of the rules during play in your area, maybe there would be no need for calling 3 seconds!

[Edited by thumpferee on Feb 16th, 2005 at 12:33 PM]

[Smitty]

Originally posted by thumpferee

Would you really like a list, or were you being sarcastic Smitty?

I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I find it interesting when other officials say it's wrong to call 3-second violations. And to say you only call traveling when it's "rediculous (sic)" is fascinating to me.

[Forksref]

I never warn on 3 seconds, but I warn on hands, especially in the post. After the warning, next time it is a foul. Warning works for the hands. On 3 sec. I make sure it is 4 and if the player is moving out of the lane, I usually don't call it. It's the player "camped" in there that gets the call.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by thumpferee
I was simply saying that as an official, looking for other infractions or violations of the rules during play in your area, maybe there would be no need for calling 3 seconds!

What does that even mean? If you can't see everything you need to see, you are probably missing a lot more than the 3-second call. I think using the excuse that you are prioritizing is a crutch. That's just my opinion.

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by Smitty

What does that even mean? If you can't see everything you need to see, you are probably missing a lot more than the 3-second call. I think using the excuse that you are prioritizing is a crutch. That's just my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. If you don't like it, you don't have to take it. But others may find insight in it, or not.

And as far as the comment, "If you can't see everything you need to see, you are probably missing a lot more than the 3-second call", WTF does that mean? Oh sorry, you never missed a call.

Who says I miss the 3 second call? I was simply saying I'm not gonna miss a clearout foul, or an illegal screen, or an elbow to the jaw because I was sitting there counting to 3 because a player has been there for 1 sec.

And if you don't prioritize your calls based on situations throughout the game, maybe some evaluation is in order.

That's just my opinion.

"And to say you only call traveling when it's "rediculous (sic)" is fascinating to me". Where did this come from?

But I would rather not call it when it is traveling, than to call it when it isn't. But that's just me prioritizing again.


[Edited by thumpferee on Feb 16th, 2005 at 01:03 PM]

[Smitty]

Originally posted by thumpferee

You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. If you don't like it, you don't have to take it. But others may find insight in it, or not.

And as far as the comment, "If you can't see everything you need to see, you are probably missing a lot more than the 3-second call", WTF does that mean? Oh sorry, you never missed a call.

Who says I miss the 3 second call? I was simply saying I'm not gonna miss a clearout foul, or an illegal screen, or an elbow to the jaw because I was sitting there counting to 3 because a player has been there for 1 sec.

And if you don't prioritize your calls based on situations throughout the game, maybe some evaluation is in order.

That's just my opinion.

What it means is that you don't need to be staring at a kid to see he's been in the lane for 3,4 and 5 seconds. You use your peripheral vision. There is a comfort level with being able to see what you need to see without having to stare at everything. Perhaps that just comes with experience. You are the one who said you have eliminated 3-seconds from your game. So essentially you said that you missed the 3-second call, my friend.

I never implied I haven't missed calls. I only implied I'm more aware of what's going on in my area than perhaps you are.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by thumpferee
"And to say you only call traveling when it's "rediculous (sic)" is fascinating to me". Where did this come from?

That was something the other guy who said he has eliminated the 3-second call from his game said.

[thumpferee]

Originally posted by Smitty

What it means is that you don't need to be staring at a kid to see he's been in the lane for 3,4 and 5 seconds. You use your peripheral vision. There is a comfort level with being able to see what you need to see without having to stare at everything. Perhaps that just comes with experience. You are the one who said you have eliminated 3-seconds from your game. So essentially you said that you missed the 3-second call, my friend.

I never implied I haven't missed calls. I only implied I'm more aware of what's going on in my area than perhaps you are.

Who said you need to stare at a kid? Who said peripheral vision is not needed and used? Who said I have eliminated 3 seconds from my game? Who said I missed a 3 second call? Who said I am not aware of what's going on in my area?

What I was trying to say originally was to watch for more than just 3 seconds! By eliminating it even temporarily, you may see other things you may have been missing as an official.

You always want to make things so complicated and personal! Personally, I will guarantee I am a better official than you are. So don't give me the experience and court awareness spill and try to make yourself look better by trying to put me down, it doesn't work.

And by the way, it is a violation if there for 3 seconds, not 4 or 5. What other rules do you choose to ignore?

[Smitty]

Originally posted by thumpferee

Who said you need to stare at a kid? Who said peripheral vision is not needed and used? Who said I have eliminated 3 seconds from my game? Who said I missed a 3 second call? Who said I am not aware of what's going on in my area?

What I was trying to say originally was to watch for more than just 3 seconds! By eliminating it even temporarily, you may see other things you may have been missing as an official.

You always want to make things so complicated and personal! Personally, I will guarantee I am a better official than you are. So don't give me the experience and court awareness spill and try to make yourself look better by trying to put me down, it doesn't work.

And by the way, it is a violation if there for 3 seconds, not 4 or 5. What other rules do you choose to ignore?

"Personally, I will guarantee I am a better official than you are."

The fact that you even considered this thought tells more about you than anything else you've written. The words of a fool.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

[Edited by Smitty on Feb 16th, 2005 at 03:02 PM]

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by Smitty


Which other rules do you all choose to ignore?

What an old, tired, worn-out comment...everyone makes decisions on what to call and not call in every single game they officiate...even Smitty (unless his games are three hour long marathons)...every time we choose to not call something because it had no impact on the play or the game, someone can say we are "ignoring the rule"...and my response would be "Yup...on that play I sure did"...that's what judgement is all about.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by rockyroad

What an old, tired, worn-out comment...everyone makes decisions on what to call and not call in every single game they officiate...even Smitty (unless his games are three hour long marathons)...every time we choose to not call something because it had no impact on the play or the game, someone can say we are "ignoring the rule"...and my response would be "Yup...on that play I sure did"...that's what judgement is all about.

There's a difference between using your judgement and saying blatantly that you've eliminated a particular call from your game. That's pre-judgement.

[thumpferee]

Apology accepted!

You know I care what you think of me Smitty!