A1 shoots a layup...the ball rolls along the flange, and is falling off the other side. I (trail) can see the bottom of the ball go below the level of the rim, but not in the basket. Ball is still touching flange on it's way down, again, outside the basket, when it is tapped in by offence.

I let it go, maybe by mistake, feeling that the ball had no chance of going in, and felt it was a tapped in rebound. An experienced ref, watching the game (this was JV boys) said that if the ball was contacting the flange, even with no chance of going in, offensive BI should have been called.

I'm willing to admit I kicked it, but I thought the ball had to be on the rim, or in the cylinder.

Thoughts?

What level?

Boys JV

Rule 1 Sect.10 Art.1 states . . .Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring 18 inch diameter, ITS FLANGE AND BRACES, etc . . .
Therefore, on the rim includes the Flange.
Rule 4.6 now applies - The rulebook says "basket" but rim in this instance is the same.
AAR

Great call. The ball has to be <b>on</b> the ring to have BI. If it's on the side of the ring, it's legal to touch it.

Read case book play 9.11.1SitF and give yourself an Attaboy.

Are you saying this is a violation?

Just in case it's unclear from the various posts, I'm going to agree with JR. Frank, your no-call was correct. It is only a violation if the ball is in the cylinder or on the rim. The ball was touching the rim but not on. Therefore, no violation.

An "Attaboy" from me too!