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Originally posted by Mark Padgett

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Flagrant personals are 2 FT's to the player fouled, and a spot throw-in to that team at the closest OOB spot to where the foul occurred.

As I asked earlier - even if it occurs on an unsuccessful 3-point attempt? ;)

Yup...two FTs and possession.

Right after you finish the first FT. :D

Nope...See Summary of Penalties for All fouls on pg 57-58 of Rule book. See #4, #5, and #6 note.

so...

Q1. Flagrant personal foul on unsuccessful 3 pt attempt?
Ans. 3 Ft's plus ball for throw-in. Ejection of offender.

Q2. Flagrant personal foul on successful 3 pt. attempt?
Ans. Count basket (3 points) then shoot 2 FT's plus Ball OB for throw-in. Ejection of offender.

Same for intentional personal fouls.

But what mechanic should you use? If the player is going to be disqualified right away because of the foul, couldn't you make a signal like a baseball ump throwing out a player or a coach. You know, say "That's flagrant, you're outa there!" loud and make a throwing motion with your hand?

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Originally posted by rabbit
But what mechanic should you use? If the player is going to be disqualified right away because of the foul, couldn't you make a signal like a baseball ump throwing out a player or a coach. You know, say "That's flagrant, you're outa there!" loud and make a throwing motion with your hand?

Not necessary. You can if you want. I found it's just easier to stop the action, separate the players, and huddle with you partner to sort through it all. Then report it to the table and inform both coaches of the call.

Why is everyone confused?

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Originally posted by RefAHallic
Why isn't there an official mechanic for flagrant fouls in high school? Is it a combination of mechanics (intentional/technical?). I think I had one last night. Girl intentionally swung the elbow and it connected with a defender's jaw. The impact could be heard across the gym. Sounded like a fist pounding into an open palm. Anyway, I called player control and it happened to be the girl's fifth foul so she was gone anyway. But as I examined what happened after the game I thought that I probably should have called a flagrant foul ejecting the player and giving the other team FTs and the ball. How would or should I signal a flagrant foul?

Swinging elbows is a VIOLATION per last year's rule changes. Haven't seen it called but maybe twice.

Swinging elbows and making contact is a Technical foul - two shots by anyone (is that right?) and the ball at the division line.

If the contact is sufficiently violent, a flagrant foul is warranted - two shots, the ball, AND EJECTION of the offender.

Signal a flagrant?... I think the old baseball heave-ho can work if you want everyone to know and the player to be embarassed. Otherwise, simply going to the table, reporting the foul as flagrant, and then telling the coach "I've just ejected number 32 for a flagrant foul. I need a substitute."

Re: Why is everyone confused?

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown

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Originally posted by RefAHallic
Why isn't there an official mechanic for flagrant fouls in high school? Is it a combination of mechanics (intentional/technical?). I think I had one last night. Girl intentionally swung the elbow and it connected with a defender's jaw. The impact could be heard across the gym. Sounded like a fist pounding into an open palm. Anyway, I called player control and it happened to be the girl's fifth foul so she was gone anyway. But as I examined what happened after the game I thought that I probably should have called a flagrant foul ejecting the player and giving the other team FTs and the ball. How would or should I signal a flagrant foul?

Swinging elbows is a VIOLATION per last year's rule changes. Haven't seen it called but maybe twice.

Swinging elbows and making contact is a <font color = red>Technical</font> foul - two shots by anyone (is that right?) and the ball at the division line.

If the contact is sufficiently violent, a flagrant foul is warranted - two shots, the ball, AND EJECTION of the offender.

Swinging elbows and making contact during a live ball is a personal foul of some type. Depending on the severity, it could be a PC foul, or an intentional or flagrant personal foul. During a dead ball, the act could be a "T" even if the elbow missed. If the elbow connects during a dead ball, it has to be an intentional or flagrant technical foul, depending on the severity.