Legal Possession?

[Almost Always Right]

I tried to find this yesterday and couldn't come up with it.
A1 while already on the floor, gains possession with the ball clamped down between their knees while laying on their back. Subsequently A2 and B2 put their hands on the ball about a second after A1 gains "control".
My question is: Is A1's possesion a legal possession? As I said, I could not find that reference specifically.
We were able to come up with a held ball because of A2 and B2 but I just thought this be good one for here.
Thanks in advance.
AAR

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Almost Always Right
I tried to find this yesterday and couldn't come up with it.
A1 while already on the floor, gains possession with the ball clamped down between their knees while laying on their back. Subsequently A2 and B2 put their hands on the ball about a second after A1 gains "control".
My question is: Is A1's possesion a legal possession? As I said, I could not find that reference specifically.
We were able to come up with a held ball because of A2 and B2 but I just thought this be good one for here.
Thanks in advance.
AAR

Specifically covered in NCAA -- treat it as a kicking violation.

Not covered in FED. (Although according to one poster here it used to be in the case book with the same ruling as NCAA).

[xxssmen]

Why would clamping the ball with ur knees consider a kicking violation?
Isn't kicking when u intentionaly strike the ball with any part of ur legs?
Clamping and striking is not the same, so a jump ball is the right call.

[mick]

Originally posted by xxssmen
Why would clamping the ball with ur knees consider a kicking violation?
Isn't kicking when u intentionaly strike the ball with any part of ur legs?
Clamping and striking is not the same, so a jump ball is the right call.

xxssmen,
Was the clamping of the ball unintentional in your mind?
mick

[xxssmen]

whether it was intentional or not I can't see any official calling it a kicking violation, best call would be a jumpball since to me kicking the ball is when the ball is intentionaly kick and the ball bounce back, securing the ball with ur knees or any other part of ur body is not consider a kick.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by xxssmen
Why would clamping the ball with ur knees consider a kicking violation?
Isn't kicking when u intentionaly strike the ball with any part of ur legs?
Clamping and striking is not the same, so a jump ball is the right call.

See the NCAA rulebook for the "intent" of the rule.

[Mark Padgett]

I would rule that having the ball squeezed between the knees would be "holding" the ball, not "kicking" the ball.

My reference would be Jack Nicholson in "Five Easy Pieces" where he told a waitress to take a chicken and "hold it between her knees".

If Jack says it, it must be so.