I had a rec basketball game today, 6th grade boys. Team A is down by about 20 when one of their post players (a big kid - bigger than me, and I'm 5'7") catches the ball on a fast break. He stops in the middle of the lane, but a quick defender gets in beside him before he shoots. I'm lead. The kid picks up the ball in one hand, takes about a step to his side and reaches out to push the defender. I called an intentional, and he takes a few steps toward me and starts screaming "What? What? What?" at the top of his lungs. I called a technical.

I still feel a little funny about all this, so I was wondering if you vets could give me a little advice on what you would have done in this situation.

Thanks

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You done good!

Well done!

This kid has the ball and pushes the defender... Sounds like a PC foul to me... Not an intentional... Then on the other hand I wonder if we have a travel with the step.. If we had a travel, then wouldn't we have a violation and any contact during a dead ball would either be incidental or a "T"???

Intentional all the way, from the sounds of it. If a player pushes to create space, it's one thing. But when he makes a concerted effort just to shove someone, an intentional is a good option.

Sara,
I won't comment on the first call because from your description I can't tell if it is a push off to gain advantage for a shot, or a stupid push because of frutration, etc. You have to use your best judgement and call what you see. As for the T - a good whack. Hopefully he'll learn from it.

In a 6th grade rec league, no hesitation. Good T.

I think revref nailed it.

"reaches out to push the defender"

By using the phrase above, it gives the indication that a PC may have been a more appropriate call. If you would have said "shoved", an intentional would be more in line. Was the defensive player knocked backwards or to the ground as a result of the offensive player ?

However, as others have stated, we were not there to see the play.The "T" was certainly the right call.

A ChuckElias sighting! :) Haven't heard from you in awhile, hope you're doing good. Anyways, good T, you can't allow that to go on, if you do, it's only going to get worse and worse! Good job.

Not a vet, but T him up every time for crap like that.

I called a 11/12 yr old boys game. Gave the coach a warning on one of his players. His dad came up to me afterwards, not angry or anything, wanting to know and understand my position/reasoning. His kid is very good and knows it. I told the dad if it were a HS game I would have. 20/20 hindsight....I should have T'd him.

I called the intentional because he went out of his way to push the other player, did so roughly. In fact, he had a clear shot at the basket, but gave it up to step over and push his opponent.

The technical I was a little iffy about at the time, because my partner said he did not think the player's actions were unsportsmanlike, and he is much more experienced. Of course, today I remembered him telling me he had never called a technical foul before, so I'm not sure what he expected.

Sounds great to me, Sara! Intentional, yes! Technical, yes!

I am still wondering about that step.... Was it a legal pivot and then the push?
Something about the way it's been stated twice, makes me think that there might be a possible travel violation here before the push... Could you clarify this point Sara?

It was a legal pivot, so no travel then a T for dead ball contact. I thought of that at the time.

Thanks Sara... Good call
 

I can't say that I have ever seen anything close that I would have called an Intentional Foul on the offense..
Good Call!

C'mon fellas. :)

A push doesn't "sound" intentional but if you use the word shove, it is?

"Something about the way it's been stated,.." She said he took "A STEP." Does that mean every time someobdy uses the term "A STEP," we have to ask several times if it was traveling?

Good grief. :p

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Look BBR....
I have been on this forum for a few years... In fact, it looks like longer than you! :)
I can't speak for those from the Peach State, but coming from Golden State (California) and having graduated, cum laude, from the Marine Corps in the early '70's, I remember that, "The only dumb question is the one not asked"... It is also my goal to break 225 posts by the end of the season (2005-2006)!:p

I have a sign over my desk, relating to users who call me with questions about their computer, programs, etc. It says,

"There are no stupid questions, only stupid people." :D

Just to add a little twist...

Let's say that he traveled and then pushed his opponent, but I didn't call that and came up with an intentional right away. What's the difference?

Sara,
Sounds like from everything you've said you nailed it. Feel good about it. You did a great job! I'll take a partner like you on the floor any time! RR

Sara...
With a travel occuring first, the ball would have then become dead.... With a dead ball and the push (shove) by the player of an intentional nature would then be considered a "technical foul"... That coupled with the "T" that you gave him for the verbal aspects would have put him out of the game...
Rule 4, Section 19, Art. 5c

A factor here is the suggested implication this kid was physically more advanced than others around him.

Tricky.

You cannot peanalize a kid for being bigger or taller but.... they must stay within the rules too.

2 equal 60 pound B-6 point guards banging around is a balanced advantage during contact.

If mini-Shaq pounds a mini-me with a forearm - advantage gained. Foul.