Coach uses F*** word - Page 2

Rich · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 02:45pm

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Originally posted by BigJoe
Just Curious,

I smell what your stepping in!!! The same thing happened to me a few years back. Emotion charged game, goes to overtime, I call an intentional foul on the home squad for pushing a kid in the back with a clear bunny from the low block. End of game after two free throws and the ball. After the game on our way to the dressing room, we have to walk the same direction as the home team. We are waiting to be admitted to the room when the B squad coach comes to us and says "no matter what the head coach says, I think you called a great game". I should have taken that as a warning but thought nothing of it. Then the head coach comes by and shakes our hands and says "good game...you'll never work another f*****g game here again!" I couldn't believe what I had just heard. So I told my partner, "I guess we'll be filing an incident report tonight." I got a call from the A.D. the next morning asking me what happened. I told him and that was it. No apology from the coach or school. I just have never worked another f*****g game there since. Very bush league and I don't care if I work there or not.

I worked at a school last season and it was a strange first quarter -- the first 6 fouls went against the visiting team. The first foul against the home team was a PC foul up top as the guard lowered her shoulder and used it as a battering ram

Unknown to me, the home coach (who just had the first foul called against him out of seven called) turned and told the AD to scratch me. I only found out in the car cause my wife was near the AD in the stands. The coach's attitude filtered down to his players -- I called two player technicals against them in that game.

I saw him on the road this year and it reminded my why I was THRILLED he scratched me last season. If only he could scratch me on the road....

Jurassic Referee · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 02:52pm

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Originally posted by Rar
bktballref I have seen you say before, "Get off the court immediatly after the game or you are asking trouble." Yet now you are saying that you should stay, T a coach up, go to the book and record it. I completely agree with the logic as I would eject him on a flagarant T as well. But, I have seen you say that before, and this suggestion seems to be at odds with that. Is it "do not leave the court if your ego is threatened?" Ha, I mean no offense, but I don't get the contradiction that you will say doesnt' exist?

If it happens before you get off the court, then you have to take care of it. Getting outa Dodge is always a good idea, but if something happens before you can actually get outa Dodge, then you gotta have the nads to take care of business- not walk away from it.

BktBallRef was stating the obvious. Don't wait around hoping for the players, coaches or fans to tell you what a great game you just officiated. If you do, you're much more liable to hear what a complete a$$hole you are. Disappear. If a coach or player swears at you while you're in the process of disappearing, you can't ignore their flagrant actions. You have to stay there and deal with them.

Rar · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 03:26pm

I realize all of that. It just seemed to be at odds with a statement he and others made about a thread not too long ago. They made it abundantly clear "get out get out get out." I think one of the threads this came up with was someone asking if an official should check in with the table and the official book before leaving the confines of the court. Just seems like a contradiction to me.

My only point is that it's hard to say "never do this" with situations because there are often times exceptions...like this. I guess I just got the impression that the posts made about this topic before made it sound like you should always run away from the court. In fact, I know some of them said that.

[Edited by Rar on Feb 5th, 2005 at 03:28 PM]

Adam · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 03:33pm

RAR,
What he said isn't at odds with anything else he's said. Basically, it amounts to this.
1. Don't hang around after the game. don't approach the coach to discuss the game. Don't look for someone to give the ball to. Look at the scorers to see if it looks like there's any trouble. If they look fine, get out.
2. If you aren't able to get out before someone does something that needs to be dealt with; deal with it.

I believe the thread you are talking about was about an official approaching the coach and saying something like, "Tough game, coach."

RookieDude · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 03:42pm

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Originally posted by Rar
I realize all of that. It just seemed to be at odds with a statement he and others made about a thread not too long ago. They made it abundantly clear "get out get out get out." I think one of the threads this came up with was someone asking if an official should check in with the table and the official book before leaving the confines of the court. Just seems like a contradiction to me.

My only point is that it's hard to say "never do this" with situations because there are often times exceptions...like this. I guess I just got the impression that the posts made about this topic before made it sound like you should always run away from the court. In fact, I know some of them said that.

[Edited by Rar on Feb 5th, 2005 at 03:28 PM]

Rar...
maybe you need to re-read JR's post.
Yes...get out of Dodge.
No...don't run away from your responsability.

If a situation arises that prohibits you from getting out of Dodge...then take care of it like ya got a pair.

BTW, I don't "run" off the court. I maybe jog or walk fast with ALL my partners TOGETHER.
Never run off the court and leave your partners or yourself hanging alone.

Rar · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 04:05pm

Uh..why are you guys trying to explain someone elses position. Only person I called out was bktballref. I'd like his answer, not yours. I know the rule, I know what you're "supposed to do," and I didn't ask or talk about that at all. All I wanted was an explanation from bktballref about what I viewed as an inconsistency. I hope the officials that have responded so far aren't the type that think officials are never wrong...the ego's would tell me some of you think that. It doesn't matter how well you know the rules, you will still make mistakes.

Bottom line, not sure why I generated so much feedback when I only wanted it from one person lol. I wasn't asking for an interpretation of what to do. As I said, I agree with the advice given here, I just wanted to point out the inconsistency in his statements. Gosh I feel like I have to explain myself 10 times haha. Some of you seemed offended...wasn't my intent, my bad.

[Edited by Rar on Feb 5th, 2005 at 04:08 PM]

zebraman · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 04:23pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

You can be offended all you want but if you're good enough to accept a varsity assignment, you should know what to do in a situation such as this.

Come on down off the high horse Tony. There are times when the best thing to do is just continue off the floor and write up a report. You weren't there.

Z

Rar · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 04:28pm

Exactly zebraman. That is all my post meant. You put it much better than I did. No offense bktballref...just different perceptions.

robertclasalle · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 04:34pm

To get back to Shont's original post, I have never seen this happen, but maybe someone else has. When you T up the coach for something like this, besides the ejection and reporting him to the association, what if his team had only won by 2 points or better yet, 1 point? Even though the game is over and there is no time on the clock, since the officials have not left the visual confines of the gym, you then get a shooter from the losing (non-offending) team, he shoots 2 FT's off the technical, makes both, his team now wins the game and the A**hole coach didn't even get to see it because he was outside already. Maybe he would have to listen to some PO'd parents and players, too. Anyone ever see or hear of something like this happening?

BktBallRef · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 05:13pm

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Originally posted by Rar
bktballref I have seen you say before, "Get off the court immediatly after the game or you are asking trouble." Yet now you are saying that you should stay, T a coach up, go to the book and record it. I completely agree with the logic as I would eject him on a flagarant T as well. But, I have seen you say that before, and this suggestion seems to be at odds with that. Is it "do not leave the court if your ego is threatened?" Ha, I mean no offense, but I don't get the contradiction that you will say doesnt' exist?

There is no contradiction. When the game is over, you should leave the court ASAP, as your job should be complete. You try to do this to avoid such confrontations. But if a coach starts hurling f-bombs, then your job is not complete.

You can either go to the table and take care of business or you can request that the book be brought to the locker room.

It has nothing to do with ego. It's unsporting conduct that you would address in it occurred during the game. Why should it be ignored after the game?

And if you don't get it, well, I can't do anything about that.

Jurassic Referee · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 05:14pm

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Originally posted by Rar
Uh..why are you guys trying to explain someone elses position. Only person I called out was bktballref. I'd like his answer, not yours. I know the rule, I know what you're "supposed to do," and I didn't ask or talk about that at all. All I wanted was an explanation from bktballref about what I viewed as an inconsistency. I hope the officials that have responded so far aren't the type that think officials are never wrong...the ego's would tell me some of you think that. It doesn't matter how well you know the rules, you will still make mistakes.

Bottom line, not sure why I generated so much feedback when I only wanted it from one person lol. I wasn't asking for an interpretation of what to do. As I said, I agree with the advice given here, I just wanted to point out the inconsistency in his statements. Gosh I feel like I have to explain myself 10 times haha. Some of you seemed offended...wasn't my intent, my bad.

Sorry, RAR, I answered because I would have been completely shocked if BktBallRef had answered any differently than I did. That was very presumptious on my part. Let me assure you that I will try not to respond to any of your posts in the future.

BktBallRef · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 05:19pm

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Originally posted by zebraman

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

You can be offended all you want but if you're good enough to accept a varsity assignment, you should know what to do in a situation such as this.

Come on down off the high horse Tony. There are times when the best thing to do is just continue off the floor and write up a report. You weren't there.

Z

I didn't have to be there. Shont had a job to do, I challenged him as to why he didn't do it. All his crew did by ignoring the coach was make it more difficult for the next crew.

That's my opinion. I'd tell you or anyone else here the same thing. If you don't like, hey, I couldn't care less.

Rar · #13 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 05:28pm

bktball ref I just hear a lot of ego in your statements. "He had a job to do and didn't do it." WHen you make mistakes on the court in a game, you failed in your job as well by that standard. Every time you make a mistake, like that one about you yelling/tauning at a coach recently, you fail your job. Point? That language you use is harsh and stupid and egotistical. Still...i'm not trying to offend you

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Also JR, don't get offended. All I said was not sure why you responded to a post that wasn't directed at ya. I know you were just trying to defend a friend though. So it's cool.

BktBallRef · #14 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 05:29pm

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Originally posted by Rar
Uh..why are you guys trying to explain someone elses position. Only person I called out was bktballref. I'd like his answer, not yours. I know the rule, I know what you're "supposed to do," and I didn't ask or talk about that at all. All I wanted was an explanation from bktballref about what I viewed as an inconsistency. I hope the officials that have responded so far aren't the type that think officials are never wrong...the ego's would tell me some of you think that. It doesn't matter how well you know the rules, you will still make mistakes.

Bottom line, not sure why I generated so much feedback when I only wanted it from one person lol. I wasn't asking for an interpretation of what to do. As I said, I agree with the advice given here, I just wanted to point out the inconsistency in his statements. Gosh I feel like I have to explain myself 10 times haha. Some of you seemed offended...wasn't my intent, my bad.

First, the other posters are replying because they understand what I've previously said and they aggree with me. It's a discussion board. We're all allowed to address any post. That doesn't mean that you've offended them.

Second, you've misconstrued what I've previously said. In a thread earlier this week, I quoted something mick said a long time ago. "Get in, get done, get out," not "Get out, get out, get out." That simply means "Work the game, call the obvious, and don't add any 4hit to the game."

BktBallRef · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 05, 2005, 05:42pm

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Originally posted by Rar
bktball ref I just hear a lot of ego in your statements. "He had a job to do and didn't do it." WHen you make mistakes on the court in a game, you failed in your job as well by that standard. Every time you make a mistake, like that one about you yelling/tauning at a coach recently, you fail your job. Point? That language you use is harsh and stupid and egotistical. Still...i'm not trying to offend you .

We aren't talking about making a judgment on a foul or deciding if a player traveled. We're talking about a very black and white issue. A coach throws f-bombs at you. He's history. It doesn't matter when he does it, as long as you have jurisdiction.

Yes, I realize I made a mistake and failed to properly do my job in the incident with the coach. That's why I apologized to the coach and then wrote my confessional here. I can admit when I make a mistake. Can you? Can Shont?

So, if you want disagree with the manner in which I addressed Shont, be my guest. You're entitled to your opinion. But have the 'nads to say what you mean, rather then coming up with this "contradiction" crap. If I'm contradicting myself, then I guess the NFHS rule book does as well. BTW, since we're being honest and not trying about offending anyone, it's pretty stupid that you think my statements are contradictory. Most anyone with a brain wouldn't have to have it explained to them.