Re: Maybe it's just me
 

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Originally posted by eventnyc The bump caused a violation which (should have) prevented "normal offensive maneuvers". So, it's a foul, even thought the same bump elsewhere on the court might not have been a foul.

Exactly!

I wanted to first comment on the advantage/disadvantage discussion and mention that at two of the camps I went to over the summer found a little different terminology. In NCAA Women's, the ad/dis is being replaced by impact/nonimpact. At first it seemed a bit nitpicky to me and that both sets of terminology are the same. After an explanation by Barb Jacobs (Big East and NCAA Rules Committee), I could finally see the difference. She said, "A player could gain an advantage over her opponent away from the ball and still there could be no impact on the play." True...anyway, give it some thought and see what you think.

Second, I also agree with many of you that when you have lines involved, you have to call what everyone else in the arena can obviously see. If the kid touched the division line, it was over and back. If he/she touched it because of the foul, call the foul. I had a situation this year where I passed on something and it snowballed into a mess. Here is the situation:

Tie game. 2 Minutes remaining. A1 drives to basket from wing (in front of me at C). B1 sets up to take the charge. A1 does a jump stop right in front of B1. B1 flops. I pass on T for flop. The flop then causes A1 to walk. In that split second, I decide that because I passed on the flop, I had to also pass on the walk! Ouch. A1 scores and A ends up winning by three. Coach A now thinks I missed a charge and a walk! The point I am making is that when we start trying to "keep score" with how many times we have passed on a call, we are headed for trouble. In this case, I should have just called the T for the flop! That would have been a very tough and unpopular call in a heated, rivalry game but that is what I was being paid for. It is the only time in the last five years where I have to admit to a "make-up" call but that is in essence what I did and I hope I never do it again!

That should read Coach B thought I missed a charge and a walk!

I think that absolutely nothing has changed in the philosophy in the last 45 years. All that has been changed is the terminology. Every few years, some pointy-headed clinician decides that his/her ticket to the Basketball Hall of Fame is to come up with some new amazing officiating concept. To do that, they take sumthin' like the good ol' advantage/disadvantage theory and try to describe it in completely different words( even though it is the same old theory). The latest one happens to be impact/non-impact, I guess. Personally, I think that the biggest problem with these philosophies is that people are trying to drill them into the heads of newer officials who are still trying to learn "what" to call, let alone "why" anything should or should not be called. Gotta learn to walk before you can run, imo.

In Ohio, we do not work in crews so every night you're working with a different partner. But no matter who you work with, there's always one common philosophy, "Call the obvious".

In this situation you've gotta call the foul. If the bump caused the player to step out of bounds, you'd call the foul, right?

The coach has no arguement! The bump caused the violation.