OK, back to one of my earlier questions. dead ball contact T-foul. describe a situation that not be a intentional T?

When it's flagrant. Penalty is the same plus the offender is DQ'ed.

(That's the point, under ncaa-m rules a dead ball contact T is either intentional or flagrant.)

Dan_ref, you are making this difficult. Exclude a Flagrant.

Bart, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Under ncaa-m rules your choices in this case are nothing, intentional T or flagrant T.

OK, I misunderstood a false double. I will go back and read the rule. Thanks

Had this exact sitch last night. Partner gets the personal and then the T, but forgets that it's dead ball. He explains to both coaches that it's 2 shots for blue, then white ball at POI. I wasn't part of conversation, I was opposite the table observing the players. He comes over and tells me what he told the coaches, and I just asked, "Wasn't it dead ball contact?" The light goes on and he has to go back and tell the coaches that it's actually FTs for blue then blue ball. White coach wasn't happy. But we got it right.

It is a false double foul. For a false double foul, you administer the penalties for both fouls, in the order they happened. In this example, first the personal, then the (intentional) T.

Bob, the book states, "... when one of the fouls is a direct or indirect technical foul, point of interruption".

Yes. And this was neither a direct nor an indirect technical foul. This was an intentional technical foul.

Bob, from a scorekeeping point of view, though - an intentional technical foul counts as one of the two for disqualification, right?

As a practical matter, yes.

Bart, you're making this more difficult than it is, partner.

A false double foul is a situation where a foul occurs and the second foul occurs before the clock restarts.

4-26-12
A false double foul occurs when there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the game clock is started after it is stopped for the first but such that at least one of the attributes of a double foul is absent.

All contact technical fouls are intentional, unless they are flagrant.

10-15-1
An intentional technical foul involves intentionally contacting an opponent in a non-flagrant manner when the ball is dead.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Feb 2nd, 2005 at 06:10 PM]